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Author Topic: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies  (Read 1097 times)

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'99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« on: June 04, 2019, 07:35:17 PM »
Hello.

Recently acquired an old 1999 Ford Galaxy which has seen little maintenance inside of the passenger cabin (aside from few engine issues with limp mode etc.).

Initially the car had driver's and rear left door unlocking only with the key (as the key fob didn't work).
A week or so late the driver and passenger door (wasn't initially) were unlocking while both rear doors didn't open any more from in or outside.

Today I got the key fob working again after soldering a missing diode on the chip and was happy to not having to mess around with the key in the drivers door all the time.

Yet, it still didn't open the rear doors.

But then while messing around with the door lever and central locking it somehow opened.
Now this is where it gets confusing.
Before the door level was in unlocked position, and central locking off as well, yet the door didn't budge from either side.
But then I think I first locked it manually by pushing the door lever to locked position (through an open window), and then also enabled the central locking. As the window was open, and while central locking on, I unlocked the door lever manually. This didn't make the door open again, but as I also unlocked the central locking, then the door opened.
But before when the level was in unlocked position and central locking off, it didn't open.

Yet I got the other rear door open with same method, which seemingly had 2-step unlock process, first from the lever manually and then a second time from central locking.

BUT now, even as everything got open, after locking the doors (either with the remote key fob or with a key in driver side door), the other 3 doors don't lock.
The driver door locks, the back boot/trunk door locks and the fuel filler gap locks, yet the rest 3 doors stay open.
And their handles don't move into lock position either similarly like driver door lock handle does.

Sounds like the motor or whatnot in those doors are not working.. yet in the beginning one of the door seemed to lock/unlock together with the driver door.. and then the passenger door opened when initially it didn't. (although cannot 100% confirm if they were all locked or unlocked at certain times as expected as I didn't walk around to test each door each time).

Is there some specific method how the whole mechanism works? As it has been locked and unlocked via physical key probably for long time as the fob didn't work. So the other doors were most likely locked manually from inside by pushing on the door levers. Yet the driver door then closed with a key which still has central locking working (together with back door and fuel filler door).

Or should this system work in unison anyway no matter in what sequence via central locking the other doors have been before?

Few things to note:
- when central locking with a key fob I tried to listen the sounds at each door. I could maybe hear some faint quiet noise at least in one of the back doors, while rest of the system makes quite loud noise. I feel like there was some noise, not total silence.
- when using the key on the passenger side door, it locks and I can also see the door handle lever moving into locked position. And I hear locking motor noise but not sure if it comes from the same door or from fuel filler lid etc. Don't know if key in the passenger door should lock the whole car or not?
- I pulled away the rubber cover for the cables at both rear doors (not in the front yet) but didn't see anything problematic with the cables. One or two had small slits on the insulator but not touching anything and it was still covered sufficiently.

So I'd be interested in some insights how the system should work before I would start pulling apart all the doors and mechanisms, maybe for no reason.

In some sense it may seem like the central locking mechanism isn't working on those 3 doors, yet when the doors are locked/unlocked from the inside door handle manually and then central locking applied.. (i don't even know any more in what chain of events).. they won't open afterwards even if the door handle is in unlocked position. So there is something additional going on in the mechanism that relates to central locking as well.

Looking forward to any ideas.
Thank you!

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2019, 07:54:49 PM »
First thing to rule out is broken wires in the door gaiters - Common galaxy issue, but your likely to find some. Theres a few other common points of failure which you will find info on here about, namely the splice joint in the passenger footwell area (lots of red wires twisted together that corrode when the rear washer pipe comes apart and cause problems) or a failed lock motor causing a short circuit (easiest way to try and narrow that down is to unplug a door at a time and see if you can find one causing the issues with the rest).

When checking the wires, check the righthand gaiter on the boot as well, as this is usually the worst one and can cause problems elsewhere (my mk1 would lock then unlock itself randomly either immediately or when it felt like it, which was down to the boot wiring).

It should lock the same from either front door, I think the rear doors won't trigger the locking if the handle is pushed inside though not 100% sure on that (may be different between the mk1 and mk2 as well, but fairly sure my mk1 didn't do anything if you locked a rear door from inside).

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2019, 08:16:42 PM »
Hi.

Thank you for those tips. Gives me a starting point.

I understand that there are some cables running in/on the floor under the mats and stuff. It's both in the front and back (front passenger footwell area where rear washer pipe comes loose..)?

I'll go over all the gaiters where I see them. And try to test the doors with unplugging the cables as well.

Also forgot to note in the first post that double clicking on the remote unlock button didn't do anything. Not sure if that year car already had this method of unlocking the rear doors and stuff. Maybe not so it's irrelevant.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2019, 09:42:21 AM »
Open the cover on the gaiters i had 7 split in the drivers rear of my mk2 and 2 split on the drivers door, also reprogramming your key may help there is a guide on here to show you how if you search it :) if you do have broken wores i used ofc silicone covered cable to repair mine and havent had an issue since

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2019, 12:52:41 PM »
Hi.

Thank you for those tips. Gives me a starting point.

I understand that there are some cables running in/on the floor under the mats and stuff. It's both in the front and back (front passenger footwell area where rear washer pipe comes loose..)?

I'll go over all the gaiters where I see them. And try to test the doors with unplugging the cables as well.

Also forgot to note in the first post that double clicking on the remote unlock button didn't do anything. Not sure if that year car already had this method of unlocking the rear doors and stuff. Maybe not so it's irrelevant.


Wouldn't worry about the ones under the carpet until you rule out the gaiters - those are more prone to failing as they flex everytime you open the door. The main bit of cabling other than that is the bit in the footwell, if you remove the trim from the passenger side front door at the bottom, you should be able to see that one (I think its called services joint 32).

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2019, 02:56:18 PM »
Hi.

Currently working on it.
Found the following: 6595-0 Any idea what that bigger broken cable is for?

Took a look at the gaiters from 3 other doors so far and they all seemed good. Will check the 4th one as well to be sure. The others didn't seem to have any issues.

Similarly the wire loom looks ok. No corrosion or anything (I checked under the taped joints). Also opened up both sides because 'passenger' side is on the right in my case :) so the water tube runs on the left at driver's side.

Neither of them show any issues.
6597-1

Yet so far the central locking behavior is the same.
Didn't see a water connection in the loom. Could there be one further back on the middle or rear seat areas?
PS. The engineer who decided to run a water tube INSIDE electrical cable loom(with both having connections), what the hell is going on in your head..?


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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2019, 03:54:36 PM »
Thicker cable I would assume is for rear heated screen.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2019, 04:48:28 PM »
An update.

Checked all the door cable connections and they were 99% ok. Put some tape on couple of small insulation slits, otherwise fine. Totally different than the rear door mess.

And I think I got a step closer to the source of the issue. As I was checking the connections I also disabled one door at a time to test the locking.
Eventually with one of the rear doors (right side) disabled (cable off) the whole system started working properly.
Everything else locked and opened as they should normally.

So the next step would be to dig into that specific door and locking mechanism? Or check something else before trying to take the locking mechanism out?
This was the also door that I heard faint motor noise that I mentioned in my previous post. When disabled I could hear all the other doors fully functioning.

On a side note. The key fob seems to be sometimes working and then not working. Multiple presses, or waiting for a bit in between before the car decides to act upon it. Seems like it more random with unlocking than locking sequence. Although the buttons are working and the remote red LED flashes with each press.
Either the signal is too weak to pick up (fresh new batteries in the fob), or there is something else going on.
Should I try to re-code it as instructed in the owners manual? Possible to not work at all afterwards? Or the immo not coming off to use the car?

Thank you for advice!

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2019, 05:47:12 PM »
Not sure on the keyfob - I had various issues with mine, original one didn't work at all (wouldn't pair), brought another that did work, someone who borrowed it lost that fob, brought 2 more off ebay "fully working" that wouldn't pair no matter what I did, then the original one reappeared 6 months later and repaired to the car straight away.

But none of the fob stuff is causing the locks not all locking issue, it sounds like the rear door lock motor to me. Others have reported cleaning the motor itself to help, never tried it personally I've replaced the whole lock motor unit (the catch etc as a module) when its played up like that.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2019, 08:12:07 PM »
Ok. Guess I'll try to take out the motor/locking mechanism and see what's going on there.
Wonder if it needs step by step instructions or is fairly straightforward process.

On the opposite door the power window doesn't work. Can hear a click when pushing the button but no movement with the window.
Fortunately I have both door panels off already as the supports were broken and needed gluing etc.

The key fob I may leave alone for now. Don't want to lose the capabilities it has now.

Maybe I shouldn't write into this thread (don't want to make 10 different posts with each issue) but the front passenger door may be slightly drooping? as when closing the locking mechanism is not aligned with the hook on the frame, and when driving on the highway there is quite strong wind noise coming from the front top area where it may not seal properly. Haven't checked yet what would be the case for these two issues. If the door is hanging a bit too low, are the hinges somehow adjustable? Or it's just worn out and nothing much to do about it?

Also the horn doesn't work and I think the central cluster panel should show more indicator lights than it currently does (I assume it should have glow plug indication.. have to check the papers).
The fuse box was missing fuses nr. 11, 16, 17.
16 was for engine coolant temperature and ventilator I think which I filled with 30A fuse. The 11 and 17 I'm not totally sure about what they are for as the fuse guide has some odd markings on it.

Plenty of work to do.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2019, 11:07:53 PM »
Provided the door isn't loose (actually able to move when you try to lift it for example) you should be able to adjust it from the hinges to sort that, I think from memory there is a bit of adjustment there. You can also find that the door catch itself isn't properly located in the door, though it should pretty much sit in the correct place there isn't much adjustment to do there (though it could have been put back in wrong of course).

It might be worth videoing the startup sequence if you think dash lights are missing, though the mk1 dash is fairly sparse of lights anyway, and will differ depending on spec (not all have ABS for example, though I'd suspect the light is still present even so, just doesn't come on).

I think someone else posted on here recently how to strip and clean the lock motor units, if you look in related topics below this one > https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-common-faults-and-problems/re-central-locking/ covers it for the mk2, mk1 should be fairly similar with any luck.

Usual first port of call with window faults is broken wires, though its possible to test the motor by applying 12v directly to it briefly. I think you can also swap switches about to prove that (you don't say which door it is, but if its not the drivers one, does it work from the drivers switch?)

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2019, 11:26:50 PM »
The window doesn't work from either the drivers switch (central panel) or from the door itself (rear left door).
But in both cases there is a clicking noise coming from the door. I'll try to investigate the cables, motor and mechanism itself in case it's somehow jammed.

Will check the other stuff also when I have time after going over the first things.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2019, 02:53:29 PM »
So I took out the lock mechanism and opened the white box with the gears and motors.

Looks the same as described here: https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-common-faults-and-problems/re-central-locking/

Had suspicion about the bigger motor as it was turning a bit harder than the small motor (although it has bigger magnets inside so reasonable). Opened it up and cleaned lubricated bits inside. As I didn't have 12V adapter to test it I used some 5V mobile charger.. anyhow it was enough to get it running. So the motor itself works.

Also cleaned the rest of connections inside the box (although everything looked as new) and put the whole thing together.

But, attaching it back to the cable in the car, it still doesn't work. The small motor works. The bigger one makes maybe 1 or 2 turns and that's it. As it has snail gear attached to it, it should be going around a lot to do anything in the whole mechanism.

So decided to also check the cabling inside the door and the gaiter again. Nothing problematic found, no splices not sharp bends etc. Looked all fine.

I tried the locking mechanism together with the main metal parts, since the motor wheels move some connections around etc, just in case it has to be in some certain setting in order to work.. but still nothing.

Important to notice that when the plug is connected with this part the other back door mechanism don't function properly either. It locks, but doesn't unlock afterwards. Similar behavior was before but with all 3 doors beside drivers door. Now it seemed that the passenger front door was working ok as well.

In order to check if the issue is with the gear mechanism or the motor, I took the big motor out and plugged the whole part back in (some times with cover off to see what's going on inside). Then the rest of the system worked properly. Also the small motor tried to act after the main sequence, which it should do based on the other door that did the same.

When I put the motor back into the box the problem came back.
Yet the motor itself worked when I tested it and it makes slight movement when in the box.
It feels like it's receiving some power for a split second but then loses it and stops spinning.

I'm running out of ideas with it. Cables on that door look good, the rest of the system works when the cable is disconnected or when the bigger motor is out of the box and all cables connected. And the motor works (at least with 5V it did).


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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2019, 03:02:55 PM »
Control unit fault maybe? Canít remember where itís located but down in drivers footwell rings a bell.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2019, 03:09:55 PM »
Does it control all the doors/locks separately? Or in some combination.

As the rest of the system works well when this door in unplugged/one of the motors out.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2019, 08:37:42 AM »
I'll reply my to my own question.

From the diagram it seems that all the passenger door cables are shared with the control unit. Thus they should all receive the same signal/power.

My issue is with the Diagram 3 item 31.
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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2019, 02:31:40 PM »
Seems like I got it working.

Decided to take out the motor again and test it on the car battery. Giving it full beans on 12V it first threw a bit of a flash inside, but kept on working. Maybe it needed some persuasion :)

Once back in the mechanism box it was actually turning much more than before.
Now it was a matter of putting the gears in correct positions. The other tutorial that showed the internals didn't specify if the direction of the gears were in open or closed lock position. But for me one of those settings didn't work. I had to turn the bigger red gear into a different direction in order to get the whole system functioning correctly.

After few trial and error runs it all worked in unison with the rest of the system. So for now it seems like this problem is solved.

Also checked the other door power window which seems to have cables rusted shut. Motor tries to pull but they are not moving. Not worth the time and money to take out all the guts and clean or replace.


Next would to try to have working horn. The relay is clicking in the fuse box when button is pressed, so this end should be fine.
But as I tried to find the business end of it, I'm not sure where the exact location and shape of the horn is. From some different post it was mentioned that it's on the front right corner behind the bumper. I peeked from underneath and saw a snail shape horn looking thing which usually is for alarm signals. And then I also saw a cable pair that had been cleanly cut off.

Is there one or two horns? What is the original shape and would this mentioned type be for alarm? Although so far I have not heard a single beep from the alarm while working on the central locking and pulling doors open when they were meant to be locked. Possible that there is no alarm system, just lock and immobilizer.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2019, 10:44:56 PM »
Sounds like your cleaning did most of the work on the motor, but it just needed a bit more juice to get the last few bits of debris out (the flash would be bad contact between the brush and pickup bit, but as long as its stopped doing that you should be fine now).

Easiest way to test the alarm is to lock the doors with the window open, leave it for a few seconds then try to pull the inner handle to open the door. (don't double lock or dead lock it). Microcat shows 2 possible horns for a mk1 - either a single circular one, or a pair of snail shape ones. So you probabbly have 2. I would guess though, that they have been cut for a reason, most likley that they come on when they shouldn't. You may want either a new clock spring or a new horn button. It would probabbly be worth reconnecting them to see what happens though first.

The snail shaped ones aren't identical - they produce different tones according to the description.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2019, 11:24:34 PM »
Should they be at the same location?

At my quick glance I only saw one snail shape box. If they are at different locations then don't know where to look for the other one. Also this one still seemed to have a cable connected to it. Just another cable end seemed like cut off, while there wasn't another horn in sight.

First I'll take that one off and test its working capabilities. If it functions then I'll look for possible cause why it's silent when button is pressed.

On a side note, what is a deadlock? Or double lock? How does it function and for what purpose?
So far I have understood that it's just lock and that's it. Although the second motor in the locking mechanism raised questions, yet in the rear doors it activated after the main motor ran its course. Each time when I locked the doors.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2019, 11:40:47 PM »
The second motor is the deadlock - it locks the inner handle so you can't open it from inside (to stop someone simply smashing the window and pulling the handle to open the door when its locked). I think you trigger it by pressing the remote twice to lock though not 100% sure and might differ on spec of vehicle anyway.

I don't think my mk1 had an alarm, least I never remember it going off (unlike the mk2, which will go off if you don't shut a door fully and then try to shut it once its locked!).

Taking the horn off is a good plan, worth noting they don't work if full of water (which shouldn't happen unless someone has managed to refit it incorrectly so the water collects inside it).

I'd expect the second one to be on the other side in the same sort of place, though its possible someone has swapped a faulty one for a single one rather than the pair. What spec is your Galaxy?

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2019, 09:44:14 AM »
Thanks for the lock operation explanation.

Not sure which specific specs you were asking about, but I don't really know much myself either.

Did a VIN check for WFOGXXPSWGXD14527 and see that it's 90kW engine. Otherwise, 7 seater, 5-speed manual etc.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2019, 09:56:34 AM »
If the horn is full of water, would pressing the horn button just blast all the water out because the horn is really loud?
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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2019, 08:11:51 PM »
Got the horn working.

Had to wiggle the center membrane to come loose again, as it was jammed shut.

Didn't see another unit. Maybe there was one connected to the same bracket long time ago (some markings) but not anything recently. Anyway, this one is enough.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2019, 08:53:45 PM »
Thank you for the update
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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2019, 11:58:53 PM »
Got the horn working.

Had to wiggle the center membrane to come loose again, as it was jammed shut.

Didn't see another unit. Maybe there was one connected to the same bracket long time ago (some markings) but not anything recently. Anyway, this one is enough.

Could be a non-matching one has been swapped out, Spec wise assuming its a Ford, is it badged as an Aspen, Ghia, LX or similar?

From what I've seen (though this was with a Ford horn fitted to a Citroen Van to replace the original one) if they are full of water they don't manage to eject it - I'd suspect that the sound is generated by a diaphram inside the unit, so there isn't enough movement to actually make water move. the fix if they are filling up with water, is to empty the water out (remove the unit and tip it around to drain as far as possible) then refix it so that the water doesn't collect in it again (keep the end of the horn facing downwards being easiest way to do that)

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2019, 10:24:30 AM »
Where do I find the trim level info?

So far finding our the kW info was difficult as the original registration paper may not show it, etc.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2019, 04:19:04 PM »
I think its on a badge on the boot? Maybe on the rear doors on the black bit next to the window if its a Ghia one.

Otherwise you'd get an idea by the level of the options - The Apsen being bottom of the range had very firm seats compared to the better trim levels, and fewer toys to play with! As far as i know they all have Air con, but the better levels would have it front and rear not just front. Things like the rear windows if manual operation (both the ones in the 2nd row and the ones in the boot can be electric ones) as well, and extra speakers in the rear boot area on better models.

Long as it makes enough noise when you operate it, I wouldn't really worry too much about it though.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2019, 08:26:25 PM »
Couldn't find any marking of the trim level. Not sure if it's even present after all this time.

But in general it seems to have full package, all electric windows (including at the very rear), aircon, heated seats, power mirrors, etc.


Since the key fob (the remote process) has been working only about 10% of the time, usually for locking only I decided to try to reprogram it.

But I'm not sure if the programming works since after that it still doesn't do anything.

The instructions I found from the web for it are fairly similar to those in the owners manual.

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Key fob 5WK4 790/97/98 and others

- Insert key into driverís door lock.
- Turn the key to the unlock position 3 times and keep the key in the lock opening position for 5 sec.
- Remove the key.
- The driverís door LED will illuminate. Within 20 seconds:
- Press and hold the lock button.
- Still pressing the lock button - press the unlock button 3 times.
- Release the lock button.

The part I don't quite understand is the 5 seconds hold. The user manual (that's in Portuguese) says something about 5 seconds related to the key fob. Not sure if I would have to do the key presses within 5 seconds or hold one of the buttons 5 seconds first. Or keep the key turned in the lock for 5 seconds.

If following the quoted instructions above, should I keep the key in unlock position for 5 seconds at the third turn, or turn once more after that and then hold?
I tried to turn and hold it, after which it started rolling down the window by itself. Should that happen? ???

But even without holding for 5 seconds and just turning 3 times to unlock position the small red led light on the door comes ON.
While the light is ON I am pressing the key fob buttons as instructed (near the mirror where the receiver is supposed to be) and they key fob light starts blinking for few times. I would assume this indicates that it's in 'pairing' mode.
Right after that both lights turn OFF and that's it. The door light doesn't seem to send any confirmation of any sort that it has been a successful pairing.

What an I doing wrong or should pay attention to?

Thank you!

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2019, 10:09:31 PM »
If it works 10% of the time, its not that it needs pairing, its broken. Assuming you've ruled out batteries (note there are 2 of them, 1 is hidden under the metal plate the first one sits on) all you can really do is check for any obvious bad connections and repair/clean them unless you can dig further into the pcb than I can.

I seem to remember from the only time i got a fob to pair, that it took some fighting with the car to get it to do it, and I couldn't see what I did different on the occasion it worked. I've tried repeating the same with another fob without succcess, though not 100% convinced that the ones i got to replace the lost one actually worked.

The window thing is normal, its global opening/closing - idea is you can let all the hot air out of the car without getting into it. Holding the lock in the other position winds them back up.

There is another version of the instructions on here somewhere, I don't think the holding 5 seconds bit is usually included.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2019, 10:46:05 PM »
The fob got 2 new batteries and detailed check and cleaning.
As mentioned in some of the posts above I also found that it was missing small diode from the pcb. Which I replaced with one I found from another board. That's when the fob started working.

I have been using it since then at the beginning it was more responsive, both locking and unlocking. But not every single time either. Sometimes multiple clicks didn't do anything, then a second wait and the next one worked. Over time this has went down to maybe only locking at some random clicks, and unlocking even less.

Each time the little led light on the key fob blinks when pressed. Batteries should be decent as I got them from an electrical store and weren't the cheapest either.

My thinking was that the signal between the two has been problematic and maybe pairing it again would help to solve it.

Is there a certain indication from the door light when the pairing has been successful?

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2019, 02:43:54 PM »
There are some instructions here > https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-common-faults-and-problems/ford-galaxy-remote-key-locking-programming-and-information-(mk2)/

The following points needs to be done within 5 seconds of each other:
1) Insert the key into the drivers door lock and rotate it to the unlock position (Forward) - hold for 1 second
2) Return to the rest position, pause briefly and then rotate to the unlock position again - hold for 1 second
3) Return to the rest position again, pause briefly and then rotate to the unlock position for a third time.
The alarm/immobiliser LED on the door should illuminate to indicate the activation of programming mode:
4) On the first remote key press and hold the Lock button
5) Whilst keeping the lock button depressed, press and release the unlock button 3 times
6) Release both buttons - the LED on the key will blink along with the LED on the drivers door to confirm successful coding.
7) Repeat steps 4,5 and 6 with any further key-fobs you wish to program
8) Wait for the drivers door LED to extinguish indicating the end of programming mode (Approximately 15 seconds from last key learnt)

Note that this is for the MK2, though I suspsct the mk1 will be the same if it has the RF type fob (the earlier ones worked off infra red like a tv remote)

It would suggest to me, that your programming procedure isn't seeing the new key, This may be simply because its not giving out a signal all the time, or may be due to it already being on the car so its ignoring it anyway.

Ideally you want to check if there is a signal coming out of the key reliably - this is possible with the right equipment, but I've never successfully done it. It may be easier to try and add your fob to another Galaxy if you know of anyone with one and see if it works there.

I've not seen any reports of someone successfully repairing one that starts acting up like yours - the original fob for mine looks like it should work, but will not pair up no matter how many times I tried.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2019, 07:25:03 PM »
Hi.
Thanks. Those instructions seem very similar to the ones I have read and tried. Now the 5 second thing makes sense. The time from activating the door to fiddle with the key.

I remember seeing the key blinking, but not the door light at the same time (just staying on as it comes on after 3 key turns).

Maybe the key isn't sending out strong enough or no signal at all. Testing that would be complicated.

What about having another key fob, as buying a 'new' one? Can it be paired same way and it would work as the original? Or the whole mechanism needs the chip to be specially programmed for this car in order to work?

On a side note, as I was fixing some other stuff in the boot I found a GLX plastic sticker. So now we know the trim type :)

Also, in the boot on the left side above the wheel well is some big black plastic box behind the trim (can see through the access ports) and seemingly ventilation looking holes on the bottom of the interior trim. What is that box?

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2019, 06:18:46 PM »
The box in the rear is the rear heater (At least I think thats what your looking at). Controlled by the two dials above the rear lefthand door, with an isolator on the dash (little round button with a vague picture on it).

If you can find another working fob, you just need to pair it to the vehicle using the above method. Finding one that works proved the tricky bit from what I found. If you have a Ford, make sure its the Ford type fob you get, not the VW/Seat ones as it seems those will not match up. The key itself would be different as would the PATS chip, but you can just swap the fob bit and keep your existing blade and chip.

Does sound like the fob has stopped giving out a signal - thats exactly what the original one that came with mine does, all the lights on the fob do what they should, but car doesn't want to know when you try to pair it. As you say, ideally you want to test for a signal coming out of the fob, (there is some info on the web elsewhere about doing this with an Android device and a tv tuner, but I think you need a different type of aerial to get that to work as I couldn't get it working when i tried)

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2019, 07:15:44 PM »
Aha, so the PATS chip is the small black rectangle in the key blade housing. And the fob chip is the one that can be replaced if necessary.

I have an Android device.. will look for instructions related to this matter.

I don't see any dials above or around rear doors, except light switches and electric window switches.
The black box can be a heater thing yes, as there are some ventilation holes on the bottom of the rear left area below the box.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2019, 04:19:45 AM »
What is your climate control panel like in the front? Mine had rear heater but it was only controlled by front panel there was nothing in the rear.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2019, 09:43:00 AM »
Looks like this:
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Found an interesting video on how to check if key fob sends out some signal.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4jhnwn

Unfortunately with some modern TV's it's not possible or hard to search for specific channel frequency. Don't even have an option to edit those numbers to search for 433MHz

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2019, 09:40:04 PM »
Totally different to mine was but looks like it has temp control for rear heater, what does display look like when it is on?

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2019, 11:43:00 PM »
Even the surround is different to my mk1, would guess its similar in function to the mk2 climate control panel - one set (probably the righthand ones) will control the rear heater, the other will control the front.

If you turn the fan speed and temp to the high settings, I'd expect you will hear and feel the heater running. If it works of course. If you have vents in the roof you might have the rear aircon as well.

interesting on the remote fob bit, thats similar to the instructions I'd seen for doing it with an android tablet and a usb tv tuner, though i think the problem i had was something to do with the aerial.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2019, 11:25:56 AM »
Hi.

On a second look it actually might be exactly this. First I thought the two sides are for right and left side of front occupants, but actually the right dials could be for the back of the car.

This is how the screen looks like
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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2019, 12:01:49 PM »
Yes thatís exactly it car symbol is front heater, indication on right is rear heater controls.

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Re: '99 Mk1 Galaxy central locking anomalies
« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2019, 05:33:40 PM »
Yep, thats the same layout as the mk2 with climate control, display looks nearly identical. the round blank bit you have on the fascia is where the lower spec models would have the control to isolate the rear controls (which you don't have as the controls are all up the front). The clue is the outline over the front, if you press the demist/windscreen button, that makes it a bit more obvious what its showing.

 

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