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Author Topic: 1.9 TDI 09B auto gearbox no reverse  (Read 320 times)

Offline ypt

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1.9 TDI 09B auto gearbox no reverse
« on: November 21, 2019, 03:17:50 AM »
Hello friends,

i read many threads about 09A gearboxs faults... maiority about the solenoids...

but i have some questions, if someone could help please..

the 09A solenoids are compatible or same with 09B ?

what is the diferences between 09A and 09B?

I had my 3 engine mounts changed at dealer, and after some days, i started to feel like slippage on 3rd or 4rd gear engagement (not sure which one)... but didnt take too serious, because it did only few times.... not all time....

and now, it started to fail reverse engagement at cold... is like we are at Neutral.
after few minutes, and few tries, it engages and runs nicely, like nothing happened...until next stop for some long minutes...

Dont have any fault registered on vagcom...

could be something have been damaged on the engine mounts intervention at dealer? or is just coincidence?

im ready to change all solenoids... but im looking for some more informations... because i just want to open the gearbox if im sure about what problem is...

Thanks!!

Offline brianh

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Re: 1.9 TDI 09B auto gearbox no reverse
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2019, 04:15:11 PM »
I'd start by assessing the state of the oil if you haven't already done so, both level of it, and what condition its in.

Most reliable way to tell on the solenoids is look at the parts list, if they have the same number, they are the same thing, if its different there will be some difference (could be as simple as the connector, may be something more critical).

Offline johnnyroper

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Re: 1.9 TDI 09B auto gearbox no reverse
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2019, 11:23:06 PM »
Firstly I would say it is coincidence itís started after mount change.

Secondly the 09a and 09b share the same solenoids.

It sounds like you have a sticky solenoid to me so be wise to renew them. Personally I would replace solenoids and do a fluid change,as you canít get all fluid out I would run it for a few hundred miles and do another fluid change.

Offline ypt

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Re: 1.9 TDI 09B auto gearbox no reverse
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2019, 12:01:35 AM »
Firstly I would say it is coincidence itís started after mount change.

Secondly the 09a and 09b share the same solenoids.

It sounds like you have a sticky solenoid to me so be wise to renew them. Personally I would replace solenoids and do a fluid change,as you canít get all fluid out I would run it for a few hundred miles and do another fluid change.

Yes, I'm looking to order new solenoids set (i think is better to change all 9...dont know if im doing right or not) and im going to do a oil change also.

(Only did once... And have around 160k miles... Is mine from new).

I have other question... What about the gasket? Silicone? Or can use the cork ones that is selling with the solenoid kits?

Do anyone knows tightening torques?

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Re: 1.9 TDI 09B auto gearbox no reverse
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2019, 07:23:44 AM »
Never done one myself but from factory cover is silicone on so I would go the same route. Some megablack or megagrey would do the job nicely.

Torque Wise looks like M6 thread so would say about 10nm

https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-common-faults-and-problems/ford-galaxy-09a-automatic-gearbox-failure-to-upshift-when-cold/

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Re: 1.9 TDI 09B auto gearbox no reverse
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2019, 03:17:56 AM »
Never done one myself but from factory cover is silicone on so I would go the same route. Some megablack or megagrey would do the job nicely.

Torque Wise looks like M6 thread so would say about 10nm

https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-common-faults-and-problems/ford-galaxy-09a-automatic-gearbox-failure-to-upshift-when-cold/

thanks friend...

im going to try to do it myself...

so, im going to order the solenoid kit and the silicone...

The selonoid kit comes with cork gasket... but.... never seen it before... so, im going to use silicone.  :-[ :-[

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Re: 1.9 TDI 09B auto gearbox no reverse
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2019, 04:29:30 AM »
Firstly I would say it is coincidence itís started after mount change.

there cant be some spring pin, or some leveler damaged?
if it was, it wouldnt work even when warm right?


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Re: 1.9 TDI 09B auto gearbox no reverse
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2019, 08:02:18 AM »
I donít know if it is cable or electronically operated on that gearbox but the fact it engages drive and works apart from you get slip in 3rd and 4th suggests itís more internal to me.
If it was a cable/pin damaged or dislodged when they did mounts you would be noticing selection issues I would think.

Same with reverse if there was mechanical damage then it would fail to select all the time.

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Re: 1.9 TDI 09B auto gearbox no reverse
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2019, 11:54:09 PM »
I donít know if it is cable or electronically operated on that gearbox but the fact it engages drive and works apart from you get slip in 3rd and 4th suggests itís more internal to me.
If it was a cable/pin damaged or dislodged when they did mounts you would be noticing selection issues I would think.

Same with reverse if there was mechanical damage then it would fail to select all the time.

Makes sense...

Im going to order the solenoid set and try to change them :)

Thanks

 

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