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Author Topic: Another lovely issue  (Read 1188 times)

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Another lovely issue
« on: June 14, 2019, 10:17:39 PM »
Right as you will know this forum has helped alot lol, had the master cylinder done on my clutch all shifts and engages and disengages just fine, now i have another issue, took the bodged sensor off my back brakes (fitting new ones this week) so abs light is on, still brakes fine but the brake lights will stay on till i lift the pedal say 2mm up, when slowing to a stop or near stop as i accelerate i get a major lag asif it is trying to go into limp mode, then i take my foot off the accelerator and put it back on it picks up fine :S does this is 1st 2nd and 3rd (slowing to check for traffic then continuing) its very odd other than that it drives the same as before apart from there seems to be an increase in fuel consumption. Any thoughts ?

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2019, 10:59:04 AM »
Nightmare. Problems like this are virtually impossible to fix, garages just clock up hours and hours of time and get nowhere. How much is the vehicle worth?
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2019, 11:12:49 AM »
Not alot the car is in pretty rough shape on the outside, not long put just under £300 into it lol, just cannot understand why its done this now, brake pedal is also very stiff aswell

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2019, 11:50:15 AM »
Could be a good time to scrap it and get a new one? Just thinking about time and effort compared to cost of new one
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2019, 02:49:39 PM »
What had been bodged with the sensor? Assume itís wheel speed sensor

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2019, 04:40:00 PM »
It was the brake pad wire, changed them today still same issue and now have eml on, getting the codes later. Very wierd, source of brake pedal staying down was the dash in the way (didnt connect it all properly)

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2019, 11:25:03 PM »
Its worth noting that the brake pedal sensor (the one that operates the lights) can cause problems if its not seated correctly - it twists to remove, but can get sort of stuck in place but not properly seated at the same time, and block the travel of the pedal.

EML you really need to get a code scan done, Given what you've already had to deal with, its worth getting a cheap VCDS lite compatible lead and a copy of VCDS lite and using that to have a look if you haven't already got one, you should be able to find a suitable lead for around £10 which is less than a diagnostic will cost at a garage. VCDS will also speak to other systems on the car, which a standard obd scanner will not.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2019, 04:51:35 AM »
Oh right ok brake pad wear wire wouldnít cause the issues you have if thatís knackered would just give pad warning light.

As said only way to go is getting codes read to point you in right direction.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2019, 11:10:45 AM »
The odd issue with the acceleration has gone, check brake light is still on and eml light has been cleared with no fault :S blooming cars lol

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2019, 05:27:53 PM »
Could you take a photo of which light is coming on, as I'm not following you. Or one of the following applies if you can work out which your trying to say is wrong

If its the brake lights on the back of the car - either the switch, pedal travel or broken wires in the boot gaiter could be causes

If its the brake light only (the red one with the ! in the middle) thats either low brake fluid, you have a problem with the float on the reservoir (not plugged in, stuck or not working) or the handbrake switch isn't being operated properly

If its the pad wear warning light, then you should get a warning that makes it clear thats where the problem is, haven't dealt with them on mine as it doesn't have those sensors, though they are usually just a single wire on a plug to connect so shouldn't be anything major there.

If its the abs light (yellow one with ABS) then the wheel speed sensor is detecting something wrong or the abs system itself is detecting a fault - that really is one to do a code read for so you know what wheel or part you should be looking at before you try doing anything as you can't really check it directly by looking (if you can see something broken that gives you a clue, but its really better to look for codes first).

On the EML that came on, I'd get a look for codes on that just in case it comes back again if your getting the other codes read. As said before, if your going to play with these vehicles, VCDS is a worthwhile investment as a starting point if you have a laptop available.

If you have the ABS light on, I suspect that may also cause the red brake warning to come on at the same time.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2019, 07:48:49 PM »
Could you take a photo of which light is coming on, as I'm not following you. Or one of the following applies if you can work out which your trying to say is wrong

If its the brake lights on the back of the car - either the switch, pedal travel or broken wires in the boot gaiter could be causes

If its the brake light only (the red one with the ! in the middle) thats either low brake fluid, you have a problem with the float on the reservoir (not plugged in, stuck or not working) or the handbrake switch isn't being operated properly

If its the pad wear warning light, then you should get a warning that makes it clear thats where the problem is, haven't dealt with them on mine as it doesn't have those sensors, though they are usually just a single wire on a plug to connect so shouldn't be anything major there.

If its the abs light (yellow one with ABS) then the wheel speed sensor is detecting something wrong or the abs system itself is detecting a fault - that really is one to do a code read for so you know what wheel or part you should be looking at before you try doing anything as you can't really check it directly by looking (if you can see something broken that gives you a clue, but its really better to look for codes first).

On the EML that came on, I'd get a look for codes on that just in case it comes back again if your getting the other codes read. As said before, if your going to play with these vehicles, VCDS is a worthwhile investment as a starting point if you have a laptop available.

If you have the ABS light on, I suspect that may also cause the red brake warning to come on at the same time.
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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2019, 02:40:05 PM »
Eml has not came back on since clearing, vagcom and forscan is not connecting for some reason (VCDS lite) have both cables aswell, the brake light was on due to a part of the dash pushing on the pedal slightly, changed all pads and recent new brake fluid, i have a yellow light bulb with a ! In which goes when i press the brake and have the check brake pad light on aswell (was off before pad change)

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2019, 04:42:36 PM »
Sounds like you have a damaged pad warning sensor to me,did you replace them with the pads? (Canít remember if part of pad or separate sensor on gal)

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2019, 06:01:27 PM »
I'd agree with whats said above - you've got some sort of brake pad wear sensor fault. Looking at the pics on ECP they are part of the pad (short bit of wire leading from the pad that plugs in). Did the old ones have those wires? Did the new ones for that matter? Its possible of course that there is a wiring fault somewhere on that circuit.

Of course the other thing to check is that it isn't coming from the front brakes before you get too far into it.

Not tried Forscan on the diesel engines, but I'd suspect its very limited in what it can speak to. I'd expect it to work for the PATS system, but not much else. (and only on the Ford badged ones)

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2019, 07:57:00 AM »
Front pads were changed prior to the issue, back pads had been stored open for a short time as my little rewind tool didnt for and had to wait for another to come,  maybe its broke something rattling in my tool box for a few days lol, the pads i took off were terrible but the sensor plate was removed from them and looked like the wires were tied together :S i may try the same cable and see if the ossue goes away, not had the jolting since replacing the back pads tho, instead my fan seems to be on all the time :S never had so many issues lol

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2019, 09:13:10 PM »
Don't know which way the pad sensors work, but that might indicate someone else found a fault they couldn't fix (they will either go open circuit when worn, or connected when worn, but not having got one that has that setup I can't tell you which). Might be a fault in the wiring somewhere, but if you still have the old wire stick that in for now, at least that will tell you if its the right wheel your looking at.

Fan on all the time can be down to a duff outside temp sensor telling it the ambient temp is higher than it really is, Otherwise there is a fan switch in the top radiator hose on the petrol models, not sure if the diesel is like that, but if you look down at the hose just next to the battery housing it will be there, you should be able to test it with a multimeter (or unplug it and see what happens)

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2019, 07:00:26 AM »
I think the sensor works when the disc touches the pad it creates a ground for the sensor to switch it on, ill try the old one pretty sure its in my tool box lol, ill fond the sensor for the radiator the temp gauges inside the car are spot on suprisingly lol

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2019, 02:44:33 PM »
I seem to remember vag sensors complete a circuit and when pads wear the sensor goes open circuit to put light on

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2019, 05:27:56 PM »
I think the sensor works when the disc touches the pad it creates a ground for the sensor to switch it on, ill try the old one pretty sure its in my tool box lol, ill fond the sensor for the radiator the temp gauges inside the car are spot on suprisingly lol

They don't typically use the sensor to drive the gauge to switch the fan on though, thats usually a different one (the petrol ones have two temp sensors as well as the fan switch, one drives the gauge, The other provides info to the ECU)

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2019, 07:37:09 PM »
Okay ill check sensors and see whats up, i think i habent plugged something back in on the air controller for inside as it is more warm then anything, done dudley to mablethorpe today so its driving perfectly again just them small issues, ill fit the brak sensor when i have a chance see if the light goes and retry vcds (maybe a driver issue) and see if it pulls any codes 

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2019, 08:29:43 PM »
If the ac was working before, check the panel settings. If its the climate type, press auto then turn it down to the lowest temp, see if you get cold air then.

With VCDS, check what com ports been assigned to the lead, Might be something higher than com4, if it is alter the port settings to something low (ideally com 1 if nothing is using that) then set the same in VCDS.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2019, 05:26:12 PM »
Will requote previous issue when resolved...
Have a few others now, obd port has give up the ghost, tried removing stereo and checked fuse 32 for obd and nothing?!? Tad wierd, also finally had my ac recharged today, 1050g (dual ac model) and i could here it leaking from the compressor took it back to the garage 5 hours later they retrived 345g but i still got refunded as there machine should of picked it up, would this mean new compressor or new seals? Could hear a steady pssssssst with an occosional tssssssst if that makes sense lol (car was off) any thoughts?

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2019, 10:15:19 PM »
You need to get system charged with nitrogen to trace leak as it could be seals on joint,pipe itself leaking by compressor or indeed a leaking compressor. At least you have it down to a specific area

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2019, 11:14:46 PM »
There was a dye in the system couldbt see ot tho, 2ml i think, it just sounded to be coming out the clutch on the compressor

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2019, 11:19:58 PM »
If your sure it was from the compressor, then theres two large green o rings between the metal plate the pipes attach with, and the body of the compressor. At any rate, if it was leaking there and they put the dye in the oil (Which they should have done but may not have) you should be able to see it with any luck. The most common place for a gradual leak is the dryer on the end of the condensor where the cap goes in, but the amount of leakage you have suggests a tiny hole somewhere or a failed seal.

Can you see any bright yellow oil anywhere around the A/C system?

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2019, 12:03:14 AM »
I cannot see any oil but it is a pain to try and see with the way the have tbese engones, can i strip the unit down to see if there are any broken seals?

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2019, 10:43:02 PM »
Not really - I've taken one apart (that I suspected was ruined anyway off the galaxy I was scrapping) and can confirm whilst you can take it apart easily enough, you stand no chance of getting it back together and working again.

The two o rings where the pipes go do not require stripping down to get to them - you just remove the bolt that holds the pipes in place, remove the exposed rings and replace them. Suggest a bit of PAG oil on the replacement o rings to ease them in, and clean the surrounding area before you start (any dirt introduced is not good!)

Bear in mind a hole can be big enough to leak a/c gas without being visibile to the naked eye as well.

Ideally you want a nitrogen fill done on it, and spray some gas leak detector around the area to try and locate the leak (soapy water will also work at a push, your looking for bubbles forming but need some pressure inside the system to see anything at all).

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2019, 07:24:47 AM »
Okay thank you, it sounded asif it was coming from the clutch plate (if thats possible) ill see how much a nitrogen fill is as i was very lucky to get the £50 back from the ac regas. The garage tried to get me to pay for a inspection of the system whilst i was there but refused. Are there any reccomendations on the ac repair stuff that they sell online? Im assuming the leak os only small for the gas to go over a few hours (the vaccum test pulled 0g ac and 0ml oil but from 1050g to 345g on regas and remove)

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2019, 09:30:42 AM »
Itís quite possible it is coming from the end seal on compressor if noise is by the clutch.

I wouldnít use the repair stuff you can buy it probably wonít work and places that regas systems donít want to get involved as the gloop you put in can knacker their expensive machines. If it was defo coming from that area you could have a good look and see if you can see an oily trace,try getting underneath to have a proper look.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2019, 12:34:04 PM »
Okay if it is leaking from their is it a "easy" fix? They did put a dye in put only 2ml

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2019, 03:39:28 PM »
If itís from end seal itís a compressor change job,not a difficult job to do and I dare say plenty of used compressors out there as itís probably common to other VAG cars

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2019, 08:01:48 PM »
Okay brilliant when i get chance ill take it off check the part number and put it back on for the drive belts sake lol ive notice searching vw cars is cheaper than galaxy. Joys of these huge things

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2019, 09:45:37 PM »
If it is coming from the clutch plate, its more likely its on the end of the spindle area. Kindof irrelevant as I don't think you could buy the bits yourself to fix it anyway even if you could get it apart. And even if you did, any slight dirt or girt introduced into the pump will damage it as the tolerances on it are tiny (the pump is a bit like an engine inside, 6 pistons operated by the rotating centre with both ends used to make the compression happen, quite a clever bit of engineering really)

You can remove the clutch to have a better look though if that helps any. 2ml dye sounds about right, it soon spreads through the oil and shows up, the garage i've used has the oil pre dyed in the machine.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2019, 09:58:56 PM »
You can probably get the compressor part number without removing it. Label most likely visible from underneath.

In fact you donít even need to take it off until come change time.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Sharan-AC-Pump-8FK351127382-BVK-Alhambra-Air-Con-Compressor-1-9TDi-2000-2010/173884872769?hash=item287c589841:g:IwUAAOSwWEZabDfn

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2019, 06:48:44 AM »
Brianh they didnt put oil in according to the printout just dye and gas :S ill just get hold of a 2nd hander if they are that cheap, iwth the details of galaxy are in there 60s mark. seems like an easy job to get at :) ive got to redo door wires again as now passenger side seems to play up. Never ends with this car but i know there good for the miles

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2019, 07:36:21 AM »
I would imagine the oil is routinely put in with the refrigerant itís just not itemised on the printout.
Defo 2nd Hans is way to go a new one is £300ish.
Those door wires are a pain I done mine as they were busy mainly in front doors,they had already been done previously.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2019, 01:59:33 PM »
Yeah just have to wait for funds and then swap them out, ill ask when it gets refilled about the oil, and mine have all been soldered and taped up so door are coming off and im adding extra wire to make it a tad longer to stop them breaking again

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2019, 04:26:54 PM »
Also any idea on kline for the obd? Unfortunately i dont have access to a multi meter

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2019, 11:33:37 PM »
Have you swapped the stereo from a factory one? If so unplug it and try again, if it works its a common VW issue with a fix (swapping pins I think) which there should be more info on here about it.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2019, 09:10:23 AM »
I did try the stereo after searching through the forums, it ised to work but since i pulled the dash off and had the master done it doesnt want to connect :/

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2019, 06:00:10 PM »
Well looks like you know when it stopped working, and given the connector is on that panel I think looking at the back of the socket to make sure that the appropriate pin hasn't been pulled out or the cable pulled off it would be a good idea. Of course it might also be an issue with your lead or the drivers for it, what does VCDS say when you try to connect?

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2019, 10:53:49 PM »
I removed the obd before pulling it :) thought ahead lol the usb connects poor signal, i then ran OBD compatability and comes up car is not obd compliant also the led on both forscan cable and vagcom cable do not react the same as they used to just a solid red light wether plugged in or not, 4 cables on the obd port (i think its late so will update that in the morning) unfortunately i dont have anyone with a self powered obd reader to check as ive read that sometimes they can still communicate even if the k-line has broke, i do have a ground point that has detatched in the passenger (left) rear hidden part in the boot. But unsure if that was like it before testing

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2019, 11:08:21 PM »
Just a thought, one of the pins i would expect to be ground, there is a ground point next to the drivers door hidden behind the trim but fairly easy to get to, is that fully connected? If you can identify the ground, is there any continuity between it and the car chassis?

Can't see the one in the boot being the problem, though wouldn't be a bad idea to fix that when you can as well.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2019, 11:56:47 PM »
I will give that a check in the morning, i have no tester to test tho apart from "repair" and try obd again, ive just bought new solder amd soldering tips to repair wire so will see if that will hold for a ground (never tested the rear lighter and sure the rear speakers dont work i have 12 in total unsure if thats standard as mine has the dual ac roof vents ghia model)

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2019, 09:13:24 AM »
Been a while since ive done anything to the gal, my son was born on the 13th so have been very time limited but mot is due up this month :O have it booked for a free service check at halfrauds today so prepare for a list lol, still have to pull the dash off to check this k line and grounds ordered some solder and that dissapeared so have to get more lol

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2019, 06:16:58 AM »
Wasnt that bad of a check just typicals, anti roll bars ball joints and track rod ends and a hole in the exhaust lol

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2019, 11:34:37 AM »
Doing ball joints today did the rest last night, my last 2 question here are, can i replace the wing bumper fixings? Its been in a crash at some point and bent out the plastic ratainers on the drivers side bumper, last one its rather wierd, if i put my key to igition on for a few seconds then try to start nothing happens, but if i go from off to engine on it all kicks in fine :S

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2019, 12:03:06 PM »
The plastic bumper mount can be purchased separate but is it that causing the issue or is it the panel bent where mount attaches?

That sounds like an iffy ignition switch to me not making correctly unless passing through the ignition on position quickly.

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2019, 09:24:36 PM »
I've had the ignition switch fail on mine - in my case, it meant the radio etc intermittently died once started, and came back a little while later (once the key had turned back slightly towards the 1 position).

I'd swapped the head unit for another one to try solving it before discovering if I turned the key back that it worked again.

Might be worth checking what the door led is doing in that state as well - a few seconds are we talking less than 10 seconds here, or more like a minute? It may be that the PATS system is timing out between reading the key and you attempting to start if your leaving it too long (the Land Rover i've got will do similar - you can start it no problem if you do so within a short time of unlocking it, but leave it for a while and you have to press the fob again before it will do anything)

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Re: Another lovely issue
« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2019, 06:16:45 PM »
The drivers bumer connectors are in a bad state and so is the connectors on the bumber itself, ill have to see if theres a good one in a scrappy, the ignition barrel itself is a replacement but ill try the stereo first, led flashes for around 5 minutes before it goes off, dont have an issue starting if unlocked for a while either, passed its mot today so atleast the gal aint too bad

 

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