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Author Topic: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults  (Read 6840 times)

Offline Guzziista

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Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« on: January 20, 2013, 11:22:15 PM »
My 2002 Seat Alhambra 115 TDI PD recently stripped the teeth from the right hand drive shaft gearbox output.....I worked in 6 inches of snow and replaced it with new parts.
When I came to start the car up the battery was flat and I put this down to me having the ignition on for periods of time without realising AND the heated seats were on.
I put a spare battery on and took the car for a short test drive...
It drove fine but I noticed that the Park Assist light was on ALL the time and there was a strange sound/crackling from under the passenger seat also the radio took a few attempts to start working but eventually LEARNED its own code from the ECU automatically.
It was dark by now and I thought I would need to do an OBD scan and reset to clear any faults the low battery had caused.
Today I took the car out and noticed that I had also lost my cruise control as well as having the flickering Park Assist button and strange squeeky/crackly sound from under passenger seat.

After about 10 miles of the engine seeming fine, suddenly the car lost power for a fraction of a second and I promised the wife I would sort that out by doing the scan/reset that I had failed to do.
1 mile further up the road I slowed for some traffic lights and the engine cut out.
I restarted but when trying to rev up and set off I noticed that as soon as the revs hit 2000 or there abouts then the engine would cut out again and need to be restarted but it wouldnt tickover or rev past 2000rpm (On or off load).
I got towed home and tried to do a scan with my OBD VAG scanner (Which has previously been used successfully with this car) but I get a LINK ERROR.
I went straight out and bought a good quality battery of the recommended spec and fitted it then tried to scan again but got the same result  LINK ERROR.
I am wondering if the original batteries low voltage when I tried to start the car has perhaps blown a fuse that also feeds the diagnostic port (The scanner does power up but doesnt communicate with the car)
1 Does anyone know what the Pinouts for the OBD port are and what readings I should be looking for?
2 What fuse/s feed the diagnostic comms?
3 Am I barking up the right tree?

The car has been very reliable until this point, the only problem being that the headlight washers have NEVER worked and I couldnt be bothered to fix them because they DIDNT wash the headlights on my last Alhambra but DID empty the washer bottle too quick!!!!!

Thanks for youre time

Gutted

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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 01:43:11 AM »
Hello  welcome5

Check the N/S passenger carpet and soundproofing for wetness.

The park assist module and speaker is under the passenger seat, the passenger foot well can get flooded with water from the rear washer pipe coming apart, usually water freezing in the pipe expands and separates the pipe, all you need to do is push the pipe back on so they click together then put a small cable tie over the join this will prevent pipe coming apart again.

Fuse 32 powers datalink

Check pin 16 of the diagnostic socket for 12 volt if it's dead or less than 12 volt with the interface lead connected check the bunch of red/white wires spliced together just in front and to the side of the passenger seat.
It is a poor joint made worse by the water and corrosion.

If water has got inside the park assist module they usually have to be replaced, but once you sort the connection problem you can run a scan and check the module function.
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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 08:08:29 AM »
Thanks for the reply :), its blizzard conditions here and I am working outside. However, it wont fix itself and the missus needs car tomorrow.............HiHo HiHo its off to freeze my wotsits off I go :(

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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2013, 06:52:10 PM »
OK Job "APPEARS" to be sorted.
For the benefit of others, here is what I done.
With Chrispb's advice in the back of my head I set about testing but not necessarily in the order he suggested (This wasnt pigheadedness...I could only work on one side of the car and then move it around on the drive to get into the other side).
First I checked the apparently common fuse box and leads mounted near the battery....main wire was a little loose but no heat in cables with engine running and EVERYTHING switched on.
Battery/Alternator voltages gave no concern....steady 14.5ish volts with engine running.
Next I pulled fuse 32 with my scanner connected to OBD port and noted that the scanner lost power when fuse removed and lit up when replaced...Fuse ok.
Next checked Pin 16 of OBD socket and found 11.8v  (Meter Positive to pin 16 and meter Negative connected to bare steelwork under dashboard) with scanner connected and engine NOT running. This voltage rose to around 13.5v with engine running.
I checked passenger footwell and carpets appeared to be wet but only from snow on top surface (My previous Alhambra did split rear wash wipe hose in footwell and flooded footwell with 5 litres of neat screenwash before I figured out what was going on...this cars carpets appear normal for winter conditions).
Next I disconnected Radio and Cd player, at this point when I turned ignition on the weird sounds and feint glowing of Park assist button had disappeared....Ey'up I thought cracked it! But the scanner still couldnt talk to my car.....expletive's and tears followed.
Now I disconnected what I believe to be the Park Assist module located under the passenger seat....
YABBADABBADOO!!!!!!!!!!
Scanner and OBD port are friends again and cant wait to catch up on each others gossip.
Scanned off loads of fault codes that I suspect were generated when battery went duff and POXRIDDEN Park Assist (NUISANCE NOISE WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO CONCENTRATE) decided enough was enough.
Noted codes down and then deleted.
Took car out for 20 mile test drive with as many electrical systems as possible used.
Re-scanned and all systems with previous fault codes were clear.
Re-connected stereo and it automatically "LEARNS" its coding and works as normal.
So there we have it, a piece of kit that I couldnt quite trust but never got round to disconnecting...JUST IN CASE finally showed its true colours and ruined my week end.

NEXT its Auxilliary Heater
Why wont it work and why does my scanner get a LINK ERROR

But not today, cos I am sick of the site of snow

First time I have had a sensible response from a forum, thanks again Chrispb

Offline Chrispb

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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2013, 07:34:10 PM »
Well done mate :) didn't expect the park assist module to be causing the problem, take it's cover off it may reveal if it's been wet in the past.

Regarding booster heater fuse 12 is the main supply this may have been removed in the past, also the multiplug by the heater can suffer corrosion and breakage of the large red wire.
All this can give a link error as the heater has a constant 12 volt supply.
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2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
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Offline Mirez

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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2013, 09:33:31 PM »
Good work ;) I have known the PDC module to short the K-Line causing comms problems but not much else so good fix ;)

The headlight washers will be the 30amp fuse blown because the bottles been frozen at some point when they've been activated. The Mk2 washers are much better the Mk1 versions btw ;) If you have xenon headlights they will also be a requirement to work this year on the MoT.
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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2013, 11:38:03 PM »
Thanks for the encouragement lads.

I must admit I am a bit confused about how people are getting so much water problems with the park assist module.
As I said in my posting I have flooded the passenger footwell of my previous Alhambra with the full contents of the washer bottle whilst trying to get flow to the back window and not realising it WAS pumping all the time BUT straight into the footwell, however even then no water got near the module because it is up higher than the footwell behind a step in the floorpan that acts as a barrier/uphill step that the water could not get over.
The easiest way I could see to flood the module would be for rear passengers with extremely wet feet to put them under the passenger seat and let them drip dry.
However you blokes must have seen it happen in order for you to suggest it, so I will have to keep an eye out.
At a point in the past I did notice that my auxilliary heater was unplugged underneath and the plug and socket did look ropey but I didnt have the time nor inclination to go any further with it after I had plugged it back in and the unit still didnt work. Its only because of the recent weather that I have started to wonder about fixing it because I really would feel better if my coolant and oil temperatures rose to normal quicker than they have been.
Even then it doesnt matter what temp the coolant is, I cannot find a setting on the Climatronic that sends any heat down to the front footwells (This was the same on my previous Alhambra as well).
I am sort of hoping that fixing the auxilliary heater will help this problem, but even as I am typing I dont think it will, but at least my engine will warm up quicker.

I have been through the fusebox checking and not found anything blown in ANY circuit, so I gave up on the headlight washers because I dont think they are effective and it means not having to fill the reservoir as often.

Luckily the car has not got the new-fangled headlights so I have managed to slip through the net regarding MOT and headlight washers.

Will have to wait for the weather to pick-up before I tackle any more problems, but I will keep you posted on how I get on.

PS I have sent for a cable to use the vcds free software but was wondering how much it costs to get the software license and is it a one-off payment?

Thanks for youre time

 

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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 05:16:11 AM »
Quote
PS I have sent for a cable to use the vcds free software but was wondering how much it costs to get the software license and is it a one-off payment?

Think it was about £65 but you need to store the license on a disc or drive in case you need to reload your laptop, iirc you can only download it once after the initial download.
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Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2013, 06:31:29 AM »
Thanks for the reply, boy you must keep weirder hours than I do!
Is the software valid for a set period, ie does it stop working after a year until you stump up more subscription fee, or does it remain "Useful" ad infinitum?

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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2013, 12:42:17 PM »
It's one off, lasts for ever (however long that is) lol
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
All for a pint of Strongbow.

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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2013, 11:24:45 PM »
I'd suggest seeing how you go with the free version before paying the extra.

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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2013, 09:50:22 PM »
I'd second that, the extras the paid version gives you isn't generally needed for general DIY'ing.
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With panoramic sunroof, bi-xenon headlights remapped at 205bhp.
08 Ford Transit 2.2 TDI 115 in Frozen White
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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2013, 10:47:26 AM »
Hi All,

I have a similar issue, wondered if you can help  :-

My MPV details :-

Galaxy 1999myr 2.3petrol

Problem:-

Battery went flat ovenight.....jump started ,car runs fine Battery warning lamp goes out (i have not checked charging circuit out with a voltmeter but lights etc get brighter so i assume altr is charging)
1). Indicators and Hazards no longer work

2) Central Locking is intermittent e.g unlock /locking is erratic and works randomly !!,before work edok on key (fob has never worked or used).

3) Radio completely dead no display ...(fuse ? any idea location !)

Any help would be much appreciated

regards

derrick

Any

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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2013, 02:42:44 PM »
Hi and welcome

Firstly when you jump started the car did you initially connect the wrong way round? should be + to + & - to -
have you had battery tested?

Radio fuses are 19 & 25 with 19 covering parts of the central locking so try these first as you may need to check others as well
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 05:51:09 PM »
Hi crispb,

No i made sure polarity of the jump leads was correct, as i am aware it will cause issues, haven't had a discharge test done on battery but will do ....i will check on the circuits you mentioned  thanks for the heads up on fuses.

derrick


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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2013, 12:01:55 PM »
Hi,

All fixed had the radio out and found the 4A fuse in the back the head unit blown and the ind/ haz fuse 5A had blown...it also controlled the slow speed on the wipers and the interior lamp and the central locking (body control circuit ?), ...had the battery tested no1 cell gassing fitted new battery all good.

thanks for advice much appreciated.  :)

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Re: Battery failed and replaced....Now lots of faults
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2013, 05:48:17 PM »
 [GJ]
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
All for a pint of Strongbow.

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