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Author Topic: Cam timing torsion value  (Read 3826 times)

Offline johnnyroper

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Cam timing torsion value
« on: January 19, 2016, 04:10:44 PM »
Ever since I did my cylinder head I have been running it unaware what the reading was I have noticed smoke when coming on boost so thought I would check properly as previously I just tweaked until it ran ok.
Initially it was retarded 3.9 so as per instructions on net I rotated cam slightly clockwise it then went to -5.0 fluctuating to -6.0. The only way I could get positive was rotate anti clockwise which has got it to +3.0. This seems to be working opposite to what it should has anyone else had this when adjusting theirs? I am suspecting I may have bad cam sensor readings.

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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2016, 11:12:48 PM »
Hello.
If you have negative values you have to rotate anti-clockwise.
If you have positive values yo have to rotate clockwise.
I had a -3.9 and made it to 0 by rotating it anti-clockwise. The distance to rotate is very small so be carefull and use small increments.

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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2016, 06:39:25 AM »
That's how mine is behaving but after reading about it I found it should be going the other way?I will do a bit at a time and get to 0 and see how it performs then

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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2016, 11:57:28 AM »
After much tinkering I have got it to sit bang on 0.0 and what a difference it has made to the running there is no smoke it starts instantly and also on measuring blocks the fuel consumption is slightly better. You wouldn't think the slightest of adjustment on cam could make such a difference to the engine!

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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2016, 01:28:33 PM »
Did you document how you made the adjustments at all?
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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2016, 01:34:27 PM »
After much tinkering I have got it to sit bang on 0.0 and what a difference it has made to the running there is no smoke it starts instantly and also on measuring blocks the fuel consumption is slightly better. You wouldn't think the slightest of adjustment on cam could make such a difference to the engine!
Did you notice the difference between hot and cold, mine starts 4 to 5 deg BTDC when cold and drops back to zero when hot
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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2016, 02:18:55 PM »
When I checked earlier it was showing +4.5 and then back to 3.9 when hot. Since setting to 0 I have not checked it cold will do that in morning and see if it makes a difference

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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2016, 01:11:03 PM »
Hi Guys.

I did my cam belt over the weekend. Everything went fine but when i drive it, it feels a bit sluggish. I think the timing will be out a fraction. Car starts fine, revs fine etc etc.
I haven't checked the values on VCDS yet, thats tonight's job but would this make the difference?

I will log my values down on here too.


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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2016, 02:25:43 PM »
In my experience it will make a difference, in my particular case it was retarded initially and ran like a dog,difficult starting and very lazy revving.
I have got it at 0.0 now and it's ok but I think could do with a touch more advance,but that's a job for another time as its bare able.

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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2016, 02:27:44 PM »
Did you document how you made the adjustments at all?

Sorry mirez I have only just spotted this post,yes I did document it.

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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2016, 07:00:17 PM »
Excellent! Can you post it up? Its on my own list of jobs to check as the cambelt is a year old now and I don't think I ever checked the value on install  [NO]
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Re: Cam timing torsion value
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2016, 03:16:18 AM »
Yes no problem will dig the pics out and post up over weekend when got a bit of time on my hands.

Funnily enough I tweaked it slightly today and noticed with a slight +0.5 it made engine sound and run better. The smooth running values are more settled and closer to each other,I had quite varying figures before. Either that or the service I did today has helped engine run better?

 

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