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Author Topic: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi  (Read 8479 times)

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cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« on: January 25, 2015, 05:52:29 PM »
Just wondering if any one could shed some light on this problem,I have replaced glow plugs,coolant temp sensor, full service, timing belt and water pump,when you start the car when its cold usually first start of the day it sounds like its running on 3 cylinders and very smokey give it a rev and it smooths out it will then run fine all day when the engine's warm I was thinking maybe change 109 relay next but I am running out of idea's ,any help or idea's would be great.

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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2015, 06:52:17 PM »
Do you have any way of checking for fault codes? The things I would usually suspect for causing rough running such as MAF sensor, injector wiring loom etc wouldn't exclusively cause trouble on a cold engine, equally so with something like the fuel tank lift pump, unless you've got something like a dodgy unit injector. I would have thought a relay fault would cause it to not run at all, not start and run badly, unless it's not staying energised but that wouldn't be the first place I'd look. Have you checked for vacuum/ intercooler pipe leaks? And has the fuel filter been changed?
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2015, 07:18:13 PM »
Thanks for the reply I've changed fuel filter about 3 months ago,not checked for vac leaks where would you look ,not got vagcom  but I think I'll be investing in it soon

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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2015, 11:48:18 PM »
I wondered if you may have had some water in the fuel or something like that but if you changed the filter recently then it's probably not that. It has been said that the sealing O-ring on the connector on top of the filter should be renewed at the same time as the filter itself to avoid potential air ingress issues, though not sure if it could cause the problems you describe. If the EGR is very gummed up and sticking it could potentially cause smoke and rough running, though again I wouldn't expect it only to be a problem from cold. Vacuum leaks could occur anywhere in the vacuum lines around the control solenoids at the rear of the engine bay, the servo pipe/ branch or even the various actuators themselves- turbo, EGR etc, though yet again I wouldn't expect a vacuum leak to cause issues purely when starting from cold.

How long has this been happening? Did it just start all of a sudden or come on gradually?
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2015, 08:47:56 AM »
Thinking about now it started not long after timing belt was changed Dont weather that's a coincidence or not,if timing was out surely it would run bad all the time,how common are cam sensor's at failing just thinking of ideas.

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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2015, 10:12:13 AM »
Valve timing out could certainly have some bearing on the problem especially if the timing belt has been changed recently and the problems began since then- it's not exactly the same as the fault you've got but certainly similar- take a read of this thread, admittedly in this case the starting issues were when either hot or cold but I'd check the timing isn't out or that the belt tension hasn't gone slack!
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2015, 01:02:29 PM »
Thanks for your help I now have a few more things to check I'll update this post when I have hopefully fixed it.

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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2015, 01:49:01 PM »
Do check timing and tension if only for piece of mind.
Loose belt has been the cause many a time of the symptoms you have.
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2015, 06:28:26 PM »
Will do just started the car now and noticed led on drivers door flashing quite fast then going to a slower flash all with the car running does this mean anything at all.

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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2015, 09:53:12 PM »
That doesn't sound normal (if everything was working correctly), normally the door LED should come on solidly when you turn the ignition on (as the key is read and recognised), and if all is well it should then go out and stay out. It almost sounds like it was flashing a fault code, but again, I wouldn't expect an immobiliser fault to cause poor running once started, I would expect it not to start at all! Has it been doing this every time when you start it? Sometimes if the engine is stopped or the ignition switched off and you quickly turn the ignition back on again the LED will flash, I'm not sure why this is the case, maybe somebody else has the answer to this, perhaps the immobiliser system needs a certain amount of time to reset.
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2015, 12:08:09 PM »
I have just downloaded vcds and had a play,the led must have been a one off cause it isn't flashing anymore as regards the bad starting and poss timing issue what values should I be looking at on vcds

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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2015, 02:43:30 PM »
I think it's torsion value without checking, iirc should be at around 0 + or - 1 deg.
But I'd be more interested knowing the physical state of the timing and belt tension because if it is slack you risk serious engine damage.
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2015, 10:31:38 PM »
Chris, in the thread I linked a few posts up, you'd put a link (in reply #11) to an American TDI website which was about altering the valve timing and checking it using VCDS, just taking a read of said site earlier I found they also had a very interesting article on the PD cam lobe wear issue, have you seen it before? I mistakenly thought the issue affected the injector lobes and rockers, not the main valve tappets/ lobes. Hopefully it's got no bearing in this case but I wonder how many Galaxies et al have suffered with this?
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2015, 10:35:17 PM »
Interesting reading, though I do remember reading it some years back. Going to strip down the alhambras engine in the next few weeks so look forward to checking that out - will report back!
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2015, 10:45:49 PM »
I never realised at it's most severe the cam lobes could actually wear through the tappets!  :o I thought it was to do with a bit of premature wear on the tips of the lobes because the incorrect spec oil had been used causing a bit of reduced lift and consequently affecting running a bit, I didn't realise it could ultimately end up like that and with catastrophic engine failure!

If I ever have cause to take the rocker cover off (probably have to change the injector wiring at some point  ::)) I'll be sure to take a look at the state of the camshaft and tappets!
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2015, 11:03:55 PM »
Do these values look ok

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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2015, 11:07:54 PM »
The second one looks perfect, the first is way off - what conditions were present? Ie, engine just started, not started?
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2015, 11:08:41 PM »
The first pic is just before starting and the second after about 5 mins I noticed the pre glow didn't have any value?

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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2015, 11:12:54 PM »
Intake temperature is nearly 20*c, you won't get preglow at that temp. Was is in a garage or outside as it was only 6*c here today!

Battery voltage is also very poor, anything in the 11's isn't good when starting.
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2015, 11:25:51 PM »
Good point no it certainly wasn't warm here today it was parked outside and was about 8c what would that point to if anything and do you reckon the battery's tired at that voltage

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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2015, 05:56:16 PM »
The intake temperature is read by the MAF sensor so it could be that's a bit dodgy but the battery is certainly a good starting point.

Anything under 12.4 isn't great, anything below 12.0 and the batteries pretty shot. That said you need to measure the voltages at the battery posts rather then what VCDS tells you as thats the voltage at the ECU not available to the car.
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2015, 03:39:26 PM »
Interesting reading, though I do remember reading it some years back. Going to strip down the alhambras engine in the next few weeks so look forward to checking that out - will report back!

Just curious Mark, I see you've written the injector loom article so you've started stripping the motor, any cam lobe or tappet wear evident on this particular motor, and if so how many miles has it covered?
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2015, 04:02:08 PM »
Nope, its all looking very good in there BUT I have no idea of the true mileage this engines done as its not the original :)

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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2015, 11:10:55 PM »
No problem with that one then! It was interesting that the article mentioned that it was the lobes (particularly intake) on the outer cylinders (1 & 4) that were more prone to the problem.
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Re: cold start problems on mk2 galaxy tdi
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2015, 05:45:04 PM »
TBH mate this head looks perfect, I can't make out any wear on any of it!! If the (limited) paperwork is to be believed then this is a 2008 engine with 30K mile fitted 90K ago so it's done 120K - it's all a bit sketchy paperwork wise though so I'd take that with a pinch of salt!
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