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Author Topic: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.  (Read 17122 times)

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diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« on: July 29, 2012, 05:51:27 PM »
Have been having. Mega problems connecting. Vagcom...

Please see here for previous explanation.

http://www.fordgalaxy.or.uk/ford/index.php?/topic/24582-electrical-gremlins-no-obd-port


One thing i never thought about when unplugging modules is to unplug the ecu! Ive just unplugged it and itallowed me to connect for the first time!!

Here isthe scan on everything bar the ecu:

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\Sunday,29,July,2012,16:51:22:10074 VCDS Version: Beta 11.3.0 Data version: 20110801


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Chassis Type: 7M - VW Sharan I Scan: 25 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 18 19 22 29 36 37 39 45 46 55 56 76


VIN: WVWZZZ7MZ1V000490 Mileage: 340680km/211688miles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 6X0-953-257.lbl Part No: 6X0 953 257 Component: IMMO 0003 Coding: 00003 Shop #: WSC00000 VCID: FDF57DC7D8D5 WVWZZZ7MZ1V000490 VWZ1Z0Y0442145


1 FaultFound: 00750 - Warning Lamp 31-00 - Open or Short to Ground


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 03: ABSBrakes Labels: 1J0-907-37x-ABS.lbl Part No: 1J0 907 379 P


 20 IE CAN 0001


 Component: ABS


 Coding: 12502 Shop #: WSC01317 VCID: 3E773ACB1553


1 FaultFound: 01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 37-00 - Faulty


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: None Part No: 7M3 962 258 G Component: Multifunkt.Einheit 0001 Coding: 04097 Shop #: WSC01317 VCID: 3E773ACB1553


No fault codefound.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl Part No: 6Q0 909 601


 0003


 Component: 0HAIRBAG VW5


 Coding: 12360 Shop #: WSC01317 VCID: F0EB54F39F87


No fault codefound.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 17: Instruments Labels: 7Mx-920-xxx-17.lbl Part No: 7M3 920 920 C Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDO V03 Coding: 13421 Shop #: WSC19411 VCID: 306B14F3DF07


2 Faults Found: 00562 - Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266) 30-00 - Open or Short to Plus 01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 37-00 - Faulty


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 19: CANGateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl Part No: 6N0 909 901 Component: GatewayK<->CAN 0001 Coding: 00006 Shop #: WSC00000 VCID: F0EB54F39F87


1 FaultFound: 01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 37-00 - Faulty


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Does this mean i have a faulty ecu if it keeps pulling k line to earth, but not connecting?[/size]

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2012, 06:28:06 PM »
Well the Powertrain warnings are all because it can't see the ECU so that's nothing to be that concerned about, if it won't connect when the ECU is in place then you should get a volt meter in there to see what's preventing it from connecting. The K line is held at high during normal operation (Circa 10volt) but through high impedance, its taken to ground to establish comm's which it sounds like it's not being able to do.

Measure the K line voltage with and without the ECU connected and again with VC connected - you could have a wiring short around the ECU harness or the high impedance that should be on the K line within the ECU is low impedance meaning VC isn't able to take the K-Line to ground and its floating at 4/5ish Volt reading. Report back ;)
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012, 07:17:14 PM »
Thanks Mirez!

The powertrain issues are one less thing to worry about.

Right voltages are as follows:

OBD port pin 7 -               10.27v Ign on   - 1.9v   Ign off.
ECU connected pin 16 -     11.03v Ign on   - 0.26v Ign off.
ECU disconnected pin 16 - 10.94v Ign on   - 0.41v Ign off.

Vagcom connecting but ECU disconnected - At Pin 16 -
Fluctuating between 10.7v and 0.73v before vagcom comes up no response.

Vagcom connecting ECU connected - At Pin 16 -
Fluctuating between 9.6v and 0.73v before vagcom comes up no response.

Then goes from 9.6v back upto 11.3v when interface unplugged from OBD port.

I hope this makes sense mate?

Making very slow progress here, and glad ive got ontop of a few of the issues. Sorted central locking etc, and clocks work properly now too.

What do you reckon?

If you can help sort it Ill promise to swing over a beer via paypal!! ;D

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2012, 09:39:59 PM »
When i say fluctuating between, i mean that it starts at 9.6v then drops down to .07v then back up to 9.6v... It does this about 3 times while VC tried to connect, then when it fails it sticks at 9.6v until the interface is disconnected, and returns to normal voltage of about 11ish volts.

What do you reckon mate??

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2012, 11:50:44 PM »
Another thing to note (copied from other forum)

Tested continuity from k line at obd to ecu pin 16 and nothing! Found it goes through immobilser box, in at pin 8 and out at pin 7 to ecu. Got continuity into it but not out. But if i jump pin 7 and 8 together, i get continuity back to ecu, so that rules out wiring to or from ecu.
But why isnt k line working coming out of the immo box?

When trying to connect with vagcom i tested continuity at pin 7 obd port to earth and it keeps jumping off 1 to somewhere around 1000 every couple of seconds. This makes me think something is pulling k line to earth, but everything with a k line is disconnected!

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This was before i realised disconnecting the ECU would allow me to connect to all of the other modules!

Still quite unsure why Immo box wont let continuity pass, even when engine is running.
Although I disconnected the plug and jumped pin 7+8 and continuity was proved from OBD port to ECU.
Making my own K line from back of pin 16 at ECU to OBD port made no difference either.

What do you reckon mate?

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 06:15:15 PM »
Well thats a lot of info to wade through lol ;)

Lets start here:
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OBD port pin 7 -               10.27v Ign on   - 1.9v   Ign off.
ECU connected pin 16 -     11.03v Ign on   - 0.26v Ign off.
ECU disconnected pin 16 - 10.94v Ign on   - 0.41v Ign off.
Vagcom connecting but ECU disconnected - At Pin 16 - Fluctuating between 10.7v and 0.73v before vagcom comes up no response.
Vagcom connecting ECU connected - At Pin 16 -Fluctuating between 9.6v and 0.73v before vagcom comes up no response.
Then goes from 9.6v back upto 11.3v when interface unplugged from OBD port.

Ideally you take all your measurements at the same point, you can't prove/disprove wiring at different points. However 10.27V on the K-Line is perfectly normal and a 1.9Volt reading when the ignitions off is also fine as the impedance will keep a residual voltage for some time after. A 0.9 fluctuation between ECU in/out of circuit is also expected as the more controllers on the K-Line the higher the voltage creeps. 0.73V during instigation is also perfectly acceptable.

I can't help a huge amount with the IMMO box purely because Galaxy's don't have them! :) I see no reason why it should drop continuity though - however I do note that your car has a module 17 "CAN Gateway" - this is physically in the back of the instrument cluster and converts K-Line to CAN signal's and vice-versa, it's not at all impossible that your ECU is running CAN and not K-Line, although I would be a little surprised since its an early Mk2. Is there any evidence to suggest the instrument cluster, IMMO box or ECU has been replaced in the past? A coding issue on any of these three controllers could be the cause of the problem.

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When trying to connect with vagcom i tested continuity at pin 7 obd port to earth and it keeps jumping off 1 to somewhere around 1000 every couple of seconds. This makes me think something is pulling k line to earth, but everything with a k line is disconnected!

1000 what? I assume you mean ohms in which case you are measuring resistance not continuity per-say. (I'm not trying to be pedantic btw, but its essential we are both clear on what's being measured and where else it's easy to miss things). If it is ohms (1K Ohm) then the scan tool is what's pulling it to ground which is the correct operation as its how it initiates communications with all the control modules around the car.
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 07:45:41 PM »
Dont worry im on a steep learning curve here, anything mechanical im fine with but electrics im quite new to.
When it hit 1000ish i had it on the same bleep continuity test that reads 1 when open, then hits zero for a full circuit.

Yes it looks as if maybe the immo box had been replaced in the past before, as one of the security torx bolts had been replaced with a phillips headed bolt!
However the way i knew it was the ecu, immo box and clocks are all coded together and without this the car would start and cut out after 1 second. Which still happens if i try to start it with either the new key i have that needs coding, or with the immo box unplugged.

Ive ordered a vagtacho cable so  can code the key and a new ecu if need be.

You are correct the can gateway is built into the clocks,  and  everything on the bus passes through this.
Im not sure why tge k line goes through the immo box before  getting to the ecu though, the old mk2 vr6 i built wasnt wired this way but assume being slightly older had a different style immobilser although it still had the immo box and key reader ring around ignition.

Where do i go from here? Hit a brick wall i think! :(

Thanks for your help though..

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2012, 07:51:00 PM »
I'm talking softcoding not SKU coding - The SKU coding is purely for the immobiliser and yes all three need to be coded together. The softcoding is how the controller talks to other modules, what options it has fitted, country specifics etc. There is a list in the reference library :)
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2012, 10:57:57 PM »
Can you explain a bit more what you mean??

I cant seem to find the thread in the reference library either?

(And on a seperate note is it worth editing the trip meter reference thread https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/reference-library/galaxy-mk2-trip-meter/ to include checking of  the S32 splice if the fuse is intact? I can take pics if need be?)

Cheers!  8)

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 01:53:33 AM »
Found the thread. I have coded my S4 to beep when alarm activated, so know about the coding, but dont understand how it would affect the ECU not connecting?

And also just to mention it again, With ECU connected, if i test in vagcom sometimes it comes up K1 ok, sometimes K1 short to ground. Does this mean anything?

Thanks

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2012, 05:30:54 AM »




(And on a seperate note is it worth editing the trip meter reference thread https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/reference-library/galaxy-mk2-trip-meter/ to include checking of  the S32 splice if the fuse is intact? I can take pics if need be?)

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If you can take a pic of the S32 I will add it with the edit.
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2012, 12:14:34 PM »
Will get some pics later :)

Dont know what to try next. One silly thing i havent tried is a new battery! The one on there only shows roughly 11 and a half volts...

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2012, 01:16:24 PM »
Is that at the battery terminals or through the wiring? have you actually said if the car starts and runs OK
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2012, 01:57:50 PM »
The soft coding is responsible for a number of things, if the ECU is trying to communicate via CAN because either the IMMO box, cluster or ECU is incorrectly coded then that could be causing your issue. You need to see what code your immo, cluster and ECU should have...
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2012, 04:31:28 PM »
At the battery terminals! 11.6volts to be precise.
It does start and run, but lots and lots of white smoke until it is up to 90'c on the dash. Then a little lumpy when up to temp, but still has quite a bit of power. Can smell unburnt diesel, so reckon either an injector failing/blocked, Or Vacuum pump gasket, or even timing out. Hence why i wanted to connect vacgom to read any fault codes as an indication!

Although it could be running like this for the same reason it wont connect - Who knows!?!

Mirez, thanks. How can I confirm what code my cluster, immo and ecu should have? And then again if I cant access ECU how can I tell what softcoding it has?

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2012, 05:02:45 PM »
11.5V is a battery thats screwed! Whats the voltage when running?

You'd need to speak to VW to confirm the IMMO coding, the cluster should be easier - what code has it currently got?
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2012, 06:16:14 PM »
Surprised it's actually starting with that reading, I take it must be starting first turn of the key.
You'll probably want to change the cam belt for your own peace of mind and confirm correct timing.
Also check condition of auxiliary fuse box by the battery the larger cable crimps have a habit of overheating due to high resistance.
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2012, 06:28:15 PM »
13.8volt when running IIRC. Although VC still wont connect when the engine is running though.

Aux Fuse box looks fine, no over heated cables, and all crimps ok.

The coding for the clocks is in the scan isn't it??

Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDO V03 
   Coding: 13421

Component: IMMO                0003 
   Coding: 00003

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2012, 05:38:29 PM »
Sorry yes, the instrument one is coded correctly - the IMMO one I don't know enough about but 00003 looks a little wired, wondering if the immo box is the wrong one for the car, whats the build date on it? If you remove it from the car you'll find some circles stamped into the plastic of the case - the circles will have an arrow pointing to the part date.
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2012, 05:59:29 PM »
Ok will go out and check this now, but it definitely seems possible it is running the wrong one!
I googled the part number and this is what it brings up:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_en-gbGB487GB487&sugexp=chrome,mod=2&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=6X0+953+257

Lupo, Polo etc?!?

Hmmm..

Will report back in a min :)

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2012, 06:05:11 PM »
Another quick google of 'Sharan full scan' brings up a few forum threads show Sharan 7M immobiliser should be:

Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 7M3-953-257.lbl
Part No: 7M3 953 257
Component: IMMO 0008
Coding: 00003
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: F6E8EA3DF8AF

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2012, 06:11:11 PM »
Eek! VW part numbers always start with the car they are designed for "6X" is the VW Lupo chassis!!!! "7M" is indeed a sharan chassis... you definitely have the wrong one in the car and since the lupo is largely CAN not K I would say that's your issue right there....


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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2012, 07:26:00 PM »
Heres a pic of the date stamp, although probably unimportant now.

Either way I cant make out when it was manufactured!



The dots are printed from Dec '98 through to Feb '00.
Either way like you say its from a Lupo, and my Sharan was built Feb '01 I think? (Funnily enough we have a Lupo for sale now!)

And, No no beer yet, when I can scan and connect to engine ecu i promise ill send you a few!!

Do either of you have a Sharan you can check the part number on??

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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2012, 07:48:35 PM »
That was manufactured Feb 2000 - sadly no, we are all Galaxy guys, I'd probably ask one of the ebay guys breaking one ;)
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2012, 07:57:19 PM »
Funnily enough, my friend is breaking an Alhambra PD130 54 plate (and an R reg 110 TDI if anyone is interested)
Will have a word asap, and report back.

Im hoping I have to swing some beers your way in the next few days!!

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2012, 11:18:06 PM »
There appears to be quite a few of the 7M units available on ebay, although be wary buying these items that could be potentially duff units.
Hopefully this is the cause of the diagnostics saga :)
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2012, 12:36:00 PM »
I really hope so chris! If so you and mark will have a few beers winging there way to you!

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2012, 01:26:21 PM »
Having run Passats/Sharan for a few years and high mileages from new.
I found it paid to use genuine vw parts
like maf etc. some of the cheaper copies did not last.
pattern parts are good for most things
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2012, 09:37:20 PM »
Righteo. Still naff all. And no beer either :p

Immobiliser box made no difference. And Full set of matched clocks, key, immo box and ecu didn't work either. I cant access ecu (no response from controller) and can only access other modules if ECU is unplugged.
Still getting k1 open or short to ground on the test under options, every other time I test.

Definitely stumped now! :(

And re the immobiliser box. It is a 6X box with a 7M sticker stuck over the top of it. Mine is obviously missing the sticker.

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2012, 10:11:33 PM »
Sorry to hear that Tony, was beginning to think no news is good news, just had a thought though instead of disconnecting the engine ECU have you tried disconnecting the wiring loom from the engine.
You may even find some dodgy wiring on closer inspection.
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2012, 10:46:25 PM »
Hi chris,

How do i disconnect engine loom? It looks the whole loom is one with the dash loom too  :(

I noticed earlier that while playing with the loom behind abs pump the aux water pump started whirring a bit, and after tugging the loom a bit more it came to life. Think ill start looking there :)

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2012, 11:29:38 PM »
There's a large multiplug below the aircharge pipe, you may need to remove pipe for access.
The aux water pumps pack up at about 90.000mls knocking or disturbing pump usually brings it back to life only temporarily the carbon brushes are probably worn down, check FAQ's for info on the pump
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2012, 11:48:58 PM »
Ahhh, well thought that may have been my first port of call re the loom. Never mind.

I couldnt see any multi plugs earlier, only ones i know of are attatched to battery tray, under coolant bottle?

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« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2012, 11:54:45 PM »
It's on the end of the cylinder head a large circular plug, there's a small catch red iirc you have to flick up first
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2012, 12:23:17 AM »
Thats for the injector loom mate.

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2012, 09:36:01 AM »
Really clutching at straws now for ideas, that ecu has a connection with most of the major components.
There's not been any after market stuff been wired in? E.G someone else's dodgy wiring up can cause unforeseen problems
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2012, 12:06:56 PM »
Me too!

Yes towbar wired into rear lights, and aircon had a couple of relays by battery that  lead to various parts of engine bay although i have removed this.

I think it is a sensor causing ecu to short. Wiring is quite unlikely and if was chaffed and k line rubbing on body, i could prove continuity to earth, which i cant!

:(

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2012, 01:31:17 PM »
Sorted! Anyone fancy a laugh?

Wrong vagcom cable!! I tried my  friends blue kkl cable  and downloaded vcds lite and it scanned the ecu and all modules no problem!

Cant believe it, after all this time!
What a bloody idiot I am.

Anyway, quite happy now.  And only two returning fault codes -

17569 - manifold temp sensor (g72): open or short to plus
p1161 35-00

16685 - cylinder one misfire detected
P0301 35-00



Also getting manifold pressure sensor but thats because its unplugged. Any ideas as to why the misfire, and i take it cylinder one is cambelt end?

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2012, 08:22:13 PM »
3 pages eh, [HAHA] [HAHA]
never mind my man,
every day is a learning day.

GLAD you got it sorted. ;)
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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2012, 08:26:19 PM »
Quite gutted to say the least!
At least i found the dodgy connection in pass. Footwell on my electrical expedition! Lol

Now to sort the white smoke!

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« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2012, 10:49:44 PM »
Now to sort the white smoke!

let me be the 1st to say' booster heater'   :-\ ;)
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2012, 10:51:43 PM »
Thought about this, and nothing comes out of it!
its all from exhaust!

Plus the cylinder one misfire code  :(

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2012, 11:07:06 PM »
Firstly... YOU FOOL! :)

Secondly, misfires on the TDI engines are commonly caused by breakdown of the injector wiring. Another issue caused by VW cheap-ass cable!
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2012, 12:45:30 AM »
Thank you mark, will whole heartedly agree, I am a fool!!

Will this account for the white smoke, what do you reckon? No other injector related  codes though  :(

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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2012, 10:31:40 AM »
Yup, its normally white because the injector isn't firing in enough fuel. General rule of thumb:

White smoke = lack of fuel
Black smoke = excess fuel

There aren't a lot of codes that get thrown with the wiring issue, you normally get one or both of these:

16685 - Cylinder one misfire detected
18074 - Unit injector solenoid valve, No. 1 Cylinder

What's it running like? Can you feel it missing or juddering? Have you cleared the codes and been for a drive? Always essential as the codes aren't self clearing so once logged they stay - you need to reset and run to ensure you are dealing with only current codes.
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2012, 04:46:38 PM »
Speaking from here in Germany I reckon we deserve a drink  LOL just for the extra stress and worrying about your car.
Bloody wrong cable what a numpty.
Well at least I.ll be able to sleep tonight lol LOL
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2012, 09:15:59 PM »
Mark,

I have cleared all codes, and nothing remains until i restart the engine. All three codes, temp sensor, MAP sensor, and cylinder one misfire.

It doesn't feel like it is missing much at idle, but when pulling off, and putting the engine under load you can definitely feel it, hear it and see it from the white smoke!

I did notice that when removing the top of the rocker arms that cylinder one ball plunger on the top was sitting alot lower than the rest.

I can test the loom for continuity from the plug to the connector cant I? And also swap injectors around, to rule out if indeed an injector is faulty? Ive got new stretch bolts, but how do i get the bloody injectors out?

Cheers!

Oh and I owe you both a drink really! Although Chris I feel quite jealous of you being in Germany, so dont know if you deserve one!  :P
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2012, 11:05:19 AM »
Hi Tony

I'm back and am all beered up now lol
Doing a compression test would be a good idea, if they show good then pulling out the injector wiring loom for testing, hopefully not a faulty injector or worn cam lobe.
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2012, 11:18:17 AM »
Sorry Tony, missed this reply. Yes you can test continuity between the injector's connector back to the loom connector - be sure to move the wiring around a little when you do it though as quite often it only breaks as the engine flexes.
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Re: diagnostic woes! 2001 sharan pd115.
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2012, 10:33:15 PM »
Hi guys!

Pulled out injectors and swapped them round to see if it was a faulty one. And nope, still showing cylinder one misfire detected.

Cam lobes all look fine, normal wear and tear for 210k miles, and highly doubt that injector loom is the cause of a street full of white smoke for ten minutes!!

Compression test will be the best bet, but dont have a diesel tester.

 

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