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Author Topic: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery  (Read 5413 times)

Offline sasquartch

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Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« on: May 10, 2015, 12:02:18 PM »
Last December I replaced a inner driveshaft boot on my 2005 TDI 115. I carefully followed the article by insanitybeard and all seemed well.

This was a GKN Lobro part from ECP (GKN part 303946, ECP part 656444150)

Whilst servicing the car yesterday I noticed both inner boots had split which surprised me given the nearside one is barely 5 months old. (Fair enough about the other side)

I checked the part number I used in December on the ECP website and to my surprise it now says this is the wrong part.

I looked at the GKN online catalog http://webshop-cs.tecdoc.net/gkn/home.jsp and selected by car and it does lead me to the part I was supplied, BUT the accompanying notes state only up to model year 03/03, mine is a 2005

I then check the pictures online and find the part ECP supplied looks to be a different shape to the one in insanitybeard's article, the one ECP now specify does indeed look the correct shape.

I can't remember checking whether the replacement boot was identical and had probably discarded the old boot whilst I waited for the new boot to turn up in the post (car was off road for a few days) but it seemed to fit OK and thought nothing more of it.

SO, I'm assuming if it was wrong then it might prematurely fail.

Are there different shapes of boot for different years ?

Have I got any recourse from ECP ?

Any comments welcome :-)

Looks like next Saturday it's driveshafts out yet again - it's been the definite weak point of this car, has been pretty trouble free otherwise.

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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2015, 12:36:14 PM »
Yes there are two types of inner joint, tripod, and ball bearing. Not sure on the year change.
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Offline sasquartch

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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2015, 01:27:29 PM »
The boot was still hexagonal shaped so don't think it was for a caged type

Unless the caged and tripod types both have a hexagonal box at the gearbox end of the shaft.

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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2015, 03:49:52 PM »
Interesting, when you fitted the original (incorrect) boot, did it seem to mate up and fit ok? You didn't have to force it? It looks longer than the boot I fitted to mine (and indeed the shorter 'correct' boot in your image). When you fitted the incorrect boot, which of the two 'grooves' in the driveshaft (ref. the below picture) did you locate it in?


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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2015, 02:05:20 PM »
I installed the boot according to your instructions, ie with one of the grooves still showing with the boot installed.

I have since done some more research and on a Ford Parts website http://www.fordpartsuk.com/shop/c/transmission_andamp;_gearbox_components_752/ it seems that up to 03/2003 the part I fitted would be correct, however mine is a 03/2005 (built 12/2004 I believe) it should have the later type.

The wrong part appeared to fit without problem and I remember carefully assembling it on a bench - there was nothing obvious I recall that indicated anything was amiss.

Have just bought two of the correct parts (like the ones in the how-to guide) and I'll see how I get on on Saturday, weather permitting.

If it turns out they are definitely wrong I'm going to see if I can get a refund from ECP as they were clearly mis-sold as I entered my reg no.

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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2015, 05:42:09 PM »
Whereabouts has the boot actually failed? All I can think of is that the incorrect boot was longer (it certainly looks longer in the picture) and, by fitting it into the groove in the shaft closest to the splines where the tripod sits, the boot has been compressed more than it should have been which has caused the convolutions to touch and run against eachother when they shouldn't have.
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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2015, 11:00:29 AM »
I'll post a picture up of the old boots after I've done the job.
But that sounds like a likely scenario.

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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2015, 01:35:52 PM »
Well it was a sunny day so replaced both the inner boots.
Had both driveshafts out in about an hour including jacking the car up and removing the undertray, have had quite a bit of practice now :-)
Both inner boots were the wrong type and assembled differently in that one was located on the inner groove, one on the outer. Interestingly the one that had been located on the on the outer (ie wrong) groove was in a much worse state despite being much newer, therefore it seems being compressed (as the boots for pre 03/03 cars are longer) wears them out very quickly.
Put the new boots on and greased up the joints, all went back together OK so hopefully will outlast my ownership of the car (at 96k now so want to see it to a 100k and then get something newer - have owned car from new)
Moral of the tale, don't assume that parts are correct just because ECP's website says so :-(


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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2015, 03:17:00 PM »
By the looks of it, the boot in the top picture is too compressed whereas the one in the last picture looks overstretched (unless you've pulled the shaft out a bit to emphasise the split)- that's certainly not a normal place for them to fail on the larger convolutions, both of mine were splitting at the small end near the clip, that's where they're weakest I suppose.

Interesting you say you're planning on getting rid at 100k having owned from new, I bought mine at 83k, it's headed for 96k now and I plan on keeping her a while yet, I'm slowly working through the list of issues and things I want to tidy up as money permits!
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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2015, 03:32:03 PM »
It's my wife's car really and I think she just wants something a bit newer - fair enough I guess.

I'll put it up for sale on here when the time comes as it'll be a good buy for someone.
Mechanically great but the bodywork is a bit tatty, the usual scrapes on the bumper, a key mark on the passenger door, dented tailgate and various minor car park dings. No rust though and the interior still good.

I'd reckon mechanically it could do another 100k.

And all paperwork, receipts etc from new as I'm a bit anal like that :-)

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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2015, 10:27:25 PM »
pah barely run in.

bought my smax on 100k its now got 116k.
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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2015, 01:23:46 PM »
Emailed ECP to see if they'd refund my money and to be fair they sent a claim form - however looking back over my receipts I actually bought one of the boots from carparts4less (actually the same company) and I'd have to go back to the original branch I bought the other one from which isn't local - so think I'll just put the 22 odd quid for the new boots down to experience - it seems like too much hassle for what it's worth

Hopefully the new inner boots will last my ownership of the car - really want to get it to 100k miles (nearly 96k now) then I'll see if my wife can decide what she wants next (probably what I tell her she wants  :D )

Does anyone reading this have a Mk3 or S-Max ? I'd be interested to know the dimensions of the tailgate opening, I'm assuming the floor will be higher given the seats fold into the floor. The Mk2 might be old hat compared with current generation MPVs but it's surprising how much you can actually fit into a Mk 2

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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2015, 01:41:34 PM »
I've had both MK2 & 3 and there's not a great difference if any but if you go to the motability web site there is a link to current car dimensions inside and out.
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Re: Driveshaft boot - bit of a mystery
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2015, 09:47:20 PM »
once youve read that.

the smax is smaller. :)
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