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Dryer location
« on: April 24, 2019, 09:46:31 PM »
I keep reading about the cap on the dryer for the A/C leaking, and how I should be able to see it crusty under the cap.
My question is, can I access this cap without taking the bumper off? Or is it an easy to see/reach item?
Thank you in anticipation,  but please be gentle with me😉

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2019, 09:58:39 PM »
Its not the bumper you need to remove, its the bit of trim above the bumper. You can gain access by carefully bending it up on the drivers side to see the end of it, there should be a plastic cap that sits ontop of the metal cap, the plastic one just lifts out (if its even there).

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2019, 10:07:08 PM »
Thanks Brian, will have a go when its dry weather  😊

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2019, 12:10:33 AM »

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2019, 01:28:52 PM »
Just been reading this post and the thread with interest as I have a similar problem however on my 2003 2.3 auto the dryer and cap are not where the thread says they are in fact cant find them anywhere obvious nothing in font of or by side of the rad except the condenser should add my car has two fans one cools rad and one cools the condenser any ideas chaps
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2019, 10:58:18 PM »
You sure it’s not on drivers side of condenser as I thought all galaxy’s of the mark 2 ere were the same?

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2019, 06:02:33 AM »
Nope even took headlight out to see and nothing pipes seem to disappear into the wheel arch area will try to add some photos when I get chance
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2019, 09:53:35 AM »
Only the diesels are part of the rad, both the 2.3 and 2.8 (and probably the 2.0 and 1.8 petrols) are located in front of the drivers wheel, behind the horns. They very rarely fail and are nothing like as fragile as the diesel setup!
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2019, 07:01:28 PM »
My 2.3 petrol has it on the end of the condenser, though mine isn't an auto - though that might make the radiator different, I can't see it being different on a manual vs auto.

I think the 2.0 mk1 I had was a separate cylinder in the wheel arch though.

The attached might help - This shows how mine looks, it shows 2 dryers for the mk2, but both seem to share the same location? number 27 is what your looking at.

You won't see it from the headlight space - it was the front cover above the radiator that I pulled away to reveal it. If i get chance later I will take a photo to try and show a bit better.
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2019, 10:58:27 PM »
Blue arrow on the attached shows where i found it, you need to remove the grille bit (or at least loosen it somewhat).

Might also be worth mentioning, there should be a plastic cap on top of the housing, so its easy to miss (if its still there)

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2019, 06:53:33 AM »
Found it brianh unfortunatly its NOT leaking so back to the drawing board!!!
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2019, 07:08:53 PM »
If it’s got a difficult leak to locate you are best going to a specialist and getting it pressurised with nitrogen

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2019, 08:19:06 PM »
Also worth mentioning it may leak but show no signs of corrosion - mine was like that, no sign fo corrosion but the cap was impossible to remove, but if you put some water in the top of the cap a very slight leak was noticeable after getting gas into the system.

Proper fix is to replace the cap, though if its corroded too badly (as mine was) the damn thing won't come out, which means you need to replace the condenser as well (what I've done, and others have done previously, is to fill the cap area with glue to seal it - as you can't get it out anyway if it doesn't work your no worse off, as you'd need to replace the condenser anyway!).

Also if your going to remove the dryer cartridge, you need to degas it first (assuming it actually has gas in the system of course)

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2019, 03:33:36 PM »
I haven't Tried with nitrogen will give it a go system is empty at moment after regas it slowly leaks away after about a week- 10 days
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2019, 04:17:43 PM »
Have you looked at the pipework where it is hidden through the wheel arch, the pipe clips have a rubber collar to support the pipes. I had to have mine changed about ten years ago as they had rotted through under the rubber.
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2019, 05:35:53 PM »
I haven't Tried with nitrogen will give it a go system is empty at moment after regas it slowly leaks away after about a week- 10 days

That does sound like the dryer cap to me. If its empty try to remove the cap (long as your sure its really empty, not just not working on A/C, check at the valve first).

If you can't remove the cap, I'd suggest either gluing it then taking it for regas (could do that with nitrogen to prove the point without wasting more R134A) or replace the condensor and try regassing it again, whatever your preference is.

Mine is still working a year later with araldite filling the cap area up, Someone else posted about using hot melt glue sucessfully as well.

Checking the clips not a bad idea if it still looks to be losing gas at that point, as it must be a very small hole its leaking out of if it takes days to run down (I've had a worn metal pipe that was rubbing against another hose, you couldn't even see a hole in that, but as soon as it was regassed you could hear the leak and feel it coming out through the pipe, that all leaked out in the space of 1/2 hour).

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2019, 04:47:06 PM »
Still can't find dryer will try and upload pictures
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2019, 07:28:44 PM »
Your looking at it in the second picture, pop the angled bit off the top of that round bit, its under there.

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2019, 09:30:19 PM »
Looking at front of car that on left  is that correct
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2019, 09:38:00 PM »
Yes if your stood in front of the car. The arrow in the pic below (your photo turned around the right way up) shows the cap, it just lifts off (or should do)

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2019, 09:56:23 AM »
Found dryer just wondered if the screw i can see is the one that is supposed to leak
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2019, 10:08:30 AM »
The threaded part is there for a puller I suspect, the leak comes between the cap and tube of condenser there are O rings on it.
Looking at condition of yours I would say you will struggle to get cap out so will probably need new condenser

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2019, 10:30:27 AM »
Thanks for that although cannot see how you would get puller in unless you cut hole in slam panel quick look on parts site shows two types?! of dryer for my car (see pics)
and I guess to change it radiator has to come out
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2019, 10:31:45 AM »
seconed pic
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2019, 11:23:42 AM »
It can be changed in situ as I did mine can’t remember exactly what I did poss removed grill and was able to get it out. I used the threaded part to wind a bolt in so I could wiggle the cap.

As for the 2 types the second pic is older type I believe and newer types had cartridge one in condenser? As you have the cap in condenser you need the cartridge from 1st picture.

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2019, 01:40:11 PM »
Cheers well that's my job for the week taken care of then the old one looks a right mess so hopefully new one will cure leak and I can finally have air con for more than  a few weeks I have figured out how too  remove it getting circlip out looks a pain though
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2019, 01:53:53 PM »
Leave some wd40 or alike soaking in there for few days to try and help with removal.


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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2019, 06:19:06 AM »
New dryer fitted changed the whole thing as cap refused to budge had system fill with nitrogen checked it this morn all leaked out yet garage vacum tested sys and it held vacuum

Time to give up I think
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2019, 10:44:05 PM »
Changed the whole condenser? (radiator like assembly?) or just the dryer?

When you put the o-rings back in, did you use new ones? Did you use anything to lubricate them (PAG oil as the air-con system uses is your best bet there).

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2019, 05:55:03 AM »
Whole condenser assy  changed for ford genuine parts done by dealer who is as baffled as me they wondered if it could be compressor? but to expensive to change
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2019, 07:27:49 AM »
I think the Fords dealer shouldn’t be guessing, they should be expert technicians who know exactly how to pinpoint the problem
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2019, 05:53:23 PM »
There are only a few places these tend to leak:

1) From the cap above the dryer (which you've now ruled out)
2) Around the rubber clamp where the pipe passes through the wheelarch (Chris details it better earlier on)
3) Where the pipe follows back on itself prior to entering the compressor, the pipe fractures and then eventually sheers entirely.
4) On a dual AC system, where the pipes pass into the cabin at the rear passenger side.

Not seen any other leeks on a Mk2 Galaxy and I would be very doubtful its coming from the compressor as they are fairly strong. Personally, I would move away from asking a main dealer to fix it! A mobile AC specialist should be able to evacuate, dye and then identify a leek in a few hours - its bread and butter to those guys unlike your more generalised dealer mechanics.
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2019, 06:11:28 AM »
I would like  to do your option mirez unfortunately don't have any local mobile ac engineers near me the chap. at dealers is a friend of mine so don't pay full price he did put die in once but leak is so slow never did pinpoint where it was coming from as I have to use car every day for work have a very short window of time when it can be looked at by the time I got to look for signs of dye car had been in wet rainey and muddy roads did see some glow from uv lamp but was spread over most of engine bay still now normal british summer weather has returned not likely to need aircon other than aiecon its a great car everything else works fine now all the electrics and suspension have been sorted or modified just this aircon thing keeps niggling me
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2019, 07:23:36 AM »
To lose the pressure overnight it has to be quite a decent leak, when you had the dye show up under UV what part of engine/bay was it sprayed around? The fact it was sprayed suggests a decent leak as a slow one would be more localised.

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2019, 06:15:43 PM »
It can help to have the yellow goggles on whilst looking, There are two o-rings in the front of the compressor where the block connects with the hoses onto it, they aren't difficult to change if you have the system empty already. Otherwise if your looking for a compressor, second hand seems to be the cheapest option. But you'd be better trying to locate the leak first - have you checked the Pipe where it goes through the rubber as referred to in the list Mirez posted?

Would also be a good idea to check the dryer cap just in case its coming out from there, I'd suspect if it was that you won't see the dye there, but a bubble check (fill it with water, just make sure you dry it out afterwards) probably your best bet if you give it another go with the nitrogen. Usually the dryer cap takes a few weeks to leak away hence why its difficult to locate the problem unless you know about it.

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2019, 03:20:36 PM »
Have checked all the pipes although cannot find one that goes through wheel arch none of them show any signs of leak majority of dye seems to be all over compressor so will look at changing O rings if I can source new ones looks easy enough job
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2019, 06:31:28 PM »
Ford part number should be 1224916 - see attached (its against my Vin number but thats also a 2.3 though a couple of years older than yours) if you can find them, the size is listed as 10.8 X 1.82 they would need to be the Green AC type.

Otherwise if its leaking that quickly, clean the compressor off so you can see where it starts appearing from, and get them to add oil/dye and nitrogen fill it again, and see where it comes out (might be best to change the o-rings first if your doing that anyway, as you need it clean before you start disturbing any of the connections to it)

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2019, 10:47:52 AM »
Dealer has ordered O rings will wait to see if they are the right ones thanks for
diagram although my system does not look like that at all  I seem to have a very odd galaxy it was built in Germany so maybe that's why its differant
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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2019, 09:19:10 PM »
They should be able to look it up off your reg (possibly might need the VIN instead if its not originally a UK registered car). Is it a Righthand drive?

Its not very clear from the diagram, but there seems to be 2 different setups - may be that one is for dual zone the other for single zone or could be petrol engine vs diesel, Microcat isn't really telling me other than the more square of the two is right for my Vin number (which matches what i've seen on the car)

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2019, 09:20:25 PM »
Also - worst case they are only o-rings of the right size and material, so can be sourced elsehwhere than Ford. I did buy a box of assorted air-con bits (valves, caps, orings) some time ago off either Amazon or Ebay for Ford vehicles, but can't find the product on there now.

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2019, 11:11:22 PM »
I bet the difference is petrol and diesel versions as I seem to recall petrol ones (ford setup) are different.

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2019, 09:48:25 PM »
I'd think thats likely as well, though can't tell from Microcat.

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2019, 03:34:34 PM »
Dealer got both types of O ring mine had one smaller than the other! anyway all fitted now system charges with nitrogen and dye oddly they used red dye so we can see over the green mess will let you know how we get on

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thanks to everyone for your help and advice
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Offline vpavlov

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2019, 04:49:49 PM »
Hello. As I have recently gone through the ordeal of finding a leak on my 2005 Seat Alhambra I could chime in with some information.
The leaks on my AC system were from 4 different locations. All of them were corroded pipes under rubber clamps:
- low and high pressure pipes under rubber clamps above the right wheelarch. I replaced these as the pricerange for new pipes is around 20 GBP each. To replace these one needs to dismantle the front bumper, the whole front mask and to support the engine whilst the engine support is removed -just like when changing the timing belt. The whole radiator/intercooler/ac cluster also needs to be supported as the front mask is dismantled. The new pipes come with their own new gaskets, which have to be lubed with PAG46 oil before assembly.
- low and high pressure pipes under rubber clamps above the steering rack rubber gaiter- I have a dual AC with pipes going into direction of the second evaporator above right rear wheelarch. Those are easier to disconnect -the connection is about 10cm. Above the corroded place and you have to have small hands. To disconnect these pipes one also needs to remove all five or six clamps of the ac pipes under the car so they can be bend in their rubber part (the pipes are part aluminum part rubber). Then it goes to disconnecting these pipes above the plastic trim of the right rear wheelarch. After that I took these long pipes (ar. 2 m. Long) to a welder to repair them.
All of the connections mentioned are of the SpringLock type -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf8D0dOtv0k
To remove them one needs a disconnect tool - they are cheap and readily available.
My biggest issue with the whole repair was to disconnect the corroded SpringLock connections above the right rear wheelarch. I damaged the cone of the pipes in the process and had to make new cone on the old aluminum pipe with a flaring tool.
In the end replaced the filter/dryer. To take the old one out I had to use a slide hammer from a injector puller kit as it was really stuck in the condenser.

Offline badders1954

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2019, 07:49:22 AM »
Well checked system this morn and guess what empty again!!!! red dye all over compressor and front of engine so looks like a faulty compressor so give up will do without aircon as I am not throwing anymore cash at it
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Offline BillyBoyBob3rd

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2019, 10:03:25 AM »
Don't get that! You spent all that time and effort to pinpoint the problem and now you know its the compressor that's faulty you don't want to fix it? Second had compressors are cheep so wont cost must more to fix it now,.

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2019, 11:03:15 AM »
Well first  2nd hand compressors arn't cheap around £80 + P&p and don't trust 2nd hand parts anyway summers over now car has already cost a fortune in putting right vag's bad design ie: front struts wiring etc so once the mot runs out will scrap it
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Offline johnnyroper

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2019, 06:22:50 PM »
I understand what you are saying sometimes you just have to say enough is enough and cut your losses. I reached that point with my gal aswell, I had spent plenty on it but the air con failed again due to cracked pipe,outriggers were on the way and rear arches were bubbling. Decided it was time to put the money in to something else

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Re: Dryer location
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2019, 04:00:35 PM »
Your right money better spent on something else only saving grace on galaxy is she has no rust at all anywhere just passed mot with no advisories and runs like a swiss watch but after spending a fortune having front and suspension modified plus i rewired it to get rid of all the leccy niggles o and repaired parking sensor control (full of water) then fitted one long washer pipe to rear so it did not happen again i am really fed up with it a great car spoilt by lousy design looking at getting  a kia sportage or sorento type thing possibly
Never to old to Rock & Roll

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