Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Twitter Sign in with Google Sign in with Linkedin Sign in with Microsoft

Hello! Welcome to the Ford and Volkswagen MPV / SUV Forums.
Dedicated forums for the Ford Galaxy, S-Max, C-Max, B-Max and Kuga.
User groups for the SEAT Alhambra, Volkswagen Sharan, Touran, Tiguan and Touareg!

Owners Forums for Ford and Volkswagen MPVs / SUVs

Ford Galaxy S-Max C-Max B-Max Tourneo Connect / Volkswagen Sharan Touran Tiguan Touareg Caravelle / SEAT Alhambra Alteca 

 Mk1 and Mk2 VW Sharan  Mk1 and Mk2 Ford Galaxy  Mk1 and Mk2 SEAT Alhambra  Ford C-Max B-Max  VW Tiguan  VW Touran  Mk3 Ford Galaxy  Mk3 VW Sharan  Mk3 SEAT Alhambra  VW T4 T5 Caravelle Transporter  Ford Tourneo Connect  VW Touareg

Advertisement:


Recent Forum Topics:

Google Translate:

Ford Galaxy / VW Sharan / SEAT Alhambra Forum:

Author Topic: Engine stopping -again!  (Read 1041 times)

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Engine stopping -again!
« on: December 22, 2018, 02:22:19 PM »
Hi Guys - Season's greetings,

My Wife's Galaxy has started ? stopping again. I thought it must be the standard relay 109 so I bought a new one and fitted it but it hasn't fixed it. I changed the fuel and air filters but again no difference.  Basically it starts as normal almost instantly the key is turned it then moves away as expected until anywhere between 25m to 500m it will stop and it takes a hell of a lot of starting - it then runs and starts for a while until eventually it seems to run ok. then repeat.

Any suggestions as to what I should look at first?  I've done a little reading and the fuel pump filter could be an option - or possibly cam sensor - although it runs beautifully when it does run.

I did notice a buzzing sound under the bonnet - not near the relays etc that only stopped when the ignition is turned off but I have no idea where exactly it's coming from - it seems to emanate from the right of the engine bay as you face it.

Can anyone help please?


BJ
On the Square

Offline johnnyroper

  • *
  • Posts: 2699
  • Thanked: 126
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 02 tdi 115 ghia
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2018, 03:25:49 PM »
Try putting some temp clear fuel hose on so you can see if fuel delivery to and from tandem pump is the fault.

Cam sensors typically cause issues on hot starting.

Have you got vcds to see if anything logged?

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2018, 04:24:21 PM »
Hi Guys - Season's greetings,

My Wife's Galaxy has started ? stopping again. I thought it must be the standard relay 109 so I bought a new one and fitted it but it hasn't fixed it. I changed the fuel and air filters but again no difference.  Basically it starts as normal almost instantly the key is turned it then moves away as expected until anywhere between 25m to 500m it will stop and it takes a hell of a lot of starting - it then runs and starts for a while until eventually it seems to run ok. then repeat.

Any suggestions as to what I should look at first?  I've done a little reading and the fuel pump filter could be an option - or possibly cam sensor - although it runs beautifully when it does run.

I did notice a buzzing sound under the bonnet - not near the relays etc that only stopped when the ignition is turned off but I have no idea where exactly it's coming from - it seems to emanate from the right of the engine bay as you face it.

Can anyone help please?


BJ

The buzzing might be the run on pump located on the bulkhead behind the expansion bottle area.

Offline gregers

  • *
  • Posts: 1712
  • Thanked: 12
  • Model: Transporter
  • Spec: vw t28 camper
  • First Name: greg
  • Region: East Midlands
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2018, 09:04:20 PM »
idle control valve??????
vw t5 camper van.
reality is for people with no imagination
rip dad 21/12/10
rip mum 3/5/16
rip bruv 11/5/17
The FordMPV.com Forum - The free forum for questions and answers relating to the Ford Galaxy, S-Max and C-Max

Offline johnnyroper

  • *
  • Posts: 2699
  • Thanked: 126
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 02 tdi 115 ghia
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2018, 10:36:12 PM »
idle control valve??????

There’s not one on a diesel lump

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2018, 10:54:26 PM »
If the petrol model is anything to go by, the bottom righthand fuse in the fusebox supplies the engine ecu, if that isn't properly seated (being used as dashcam power source for example) that can cause the engine to die sporadically.

Its also possible its the contacts in the pins of the relay socket in the fusebox causing problems, if they don't make contact as well as they should do then they can cause the same sort of issues as a dodgy relay.

I'd also check the front fusebox (the one with the 5 high current fuses right at the front near the battery) just incase its started the usual meltdown problems, as that might account for the buzzing noise, If it continues after ignition switch off its more likely the run on pump, but you should be able to tell by unplugging it (a slight hum for it would be normal for a few minutes after stopping, usually if they fail its to stop doing anything at all).

And as suggested above, a scan with vcds for any errors not a bad place to look either.

Offline mirosti

  • *
  • Posts: 15
  • Thanked: 0
  • Model: Sharan Mk2
  • Spec: 02 TDI 115
  • First Name: sec
  • Region: Non UK
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2018, 09:52:50 PM »
I had similar symptoms on mine Sharan mk2, and solved changing seals on injectors.
But in my case, engine starts and imediatelly stoped.

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2018, 12:35:14 AM »
Also - when its not starting, whats the led on the drivers door doing? Rapid flashing would indicate an immobiliser (relay or similar) problem, slow would suggest something else is going on, so should allow you to narrow it down a bit.

Offline gregers

  • *
  • Posts: 1712
  • Thanked: 12
  • Model: Transporter
  • Spec: vw t28 camper
  • First Name: greg
  • Region: East Midlands
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2018, 08:57:52 PM »
    idle control valve??????


There’s not one on a diesel lump





every days a school day lol
vw t5 camper van.
reality is for people with no imagination
rip dad 21/12/10
rip mum 3/5/16
rip bruv 11/5/17
The FordMPV.com Forum - The free forum for questions and answers relating to the Ford Galaxy, S-Max and C-Max

Offline johnnyroper

  • *
  • Posts: 2699
  • Thanked: 126
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 02 tdi 115 ghia
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2018, 10:14:51 PM »
    idle control valve??????


There’s not one on a diesel lump

Very true that
diesels are controlled by how much fuel is injected in to engine,as opposed to a petrol that is controlled by the air intake quantity and ecu adjusting fuel to suit.





every days a school day lol


Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2019, 09:13:57 PM »


Hi Gents,

I am at a loss to understand what is happening with the Bosses galaxy. I have driven it on three journeys each of 250 plus miles with no issues. When the wife drives it- it seems to stop at least once a day.  I am thinking it must be a wiring fault - maybe in the doors. What I don't understand is that it can do long trips with no repetition yet short journeys it keeps failing.

Any other ideas gratefully received.

BJ
On the Square

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2019, 09:42:29 PM »
I'd start with a vcds scan if it was me, a laptop and suitable cable can be had for less than the price of any parts at a guess. If that shows nothing the clear fuel hose test mentioned above would seem to be the most sensible place to carry onto.

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 10:02:21 PM »
Also - was the new relay 109 really new or one thats been sold as a good used item?

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2019, 10:49:30 AM »
Thanks Brian,

Yes it was a new one not second hand.

I will give VCDS a go although I don't have the full version.
On the Square

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2019, 07:13:09 PM »
The free version does most of what would be needed - only time I've needed the full version was to swap an instrument cluster in a MK4 Golf (as the immobilizer coding is stored in it, so if you swap it without doing anything it won't start!)

If its not logging any codes, and you can connect when its in its failed state, then it probably isn't relay related (generally I've found if the relay has failed you can't connect to the diagnostics either until it starts working again).

Your next step is to try the fuel hose bit described above.

Offline Chrispb

  • Mindsaysyesbodysaysnono
  • *
  • Posts: 2980
  • Thanked: 91
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 52reg TDI 115 Ghia
  • First Name: Chris
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2019, 10:30:43 PM »
Hi BJ


I'm thinking fuel starvation? maybe in tank pump going a bit intermittent? connector on top of pump may be corroded or pump itself U/S.
There's a plate in the floor under carpet behind drivers seat, remove rear passenger seats and the plastics around the seat anchorage points to access.
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
All for a pint of Strongbow.

The FordMPV.com Forum - The free forum for questions and answers relating to the Ford Galaxy, S-Max and C-Max

Offline mike wilson

  • *
  • Posts: 432
  • Thanked: 14
  • Model: Other
  • Spec: mondeo mkIV 1.8
  • Region: North East
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2019, 08:40:17 AM »
On another forum, someone had a similar issue.  Turned out to be the cardboard inner top from a fuel treatment bottle that had somehow got into the tank and was intermittently blocking the fuel pickup.

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2019, 03:45:16 PM »
Sorry for the delayed response - and thank you to those who have made suggestions. I did a VCDS scan - Nothing untoward  - the only faults shown were one regarding the auto box temp sensor and the other was for the passenger door central locking motor.  The door lock probably backs up the suggestion of a cable fault.

I'll check out the fuel pump filter as that seems to be the next logical step.

Once again, thanks everyone.

Kind regards

BJ
On the Square

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2019, 09:55:38 AM »
Right Gents,
I have removed the electric pump form the tank - Where exactly is the filter element of this? In addition I seem to have a fine coil spring about 100mm long uncompressed - Where does it go?  I haven't got any diagrams and I can't find any pics on the site except Mirez's which doesn't show a spring.  Any help would be gratefully received!  I need the car running!!


Cheers

BJ
On the Square

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2019, 08:49:09 PM »
I have reinstalled the pump - Here is a picture of the spring I found but could not identify where it came from. Any ideas I would be most grateful.. It's about 100mm long and a very soft spring - quite thin coils.

Cheers

BJ
On the Square

Offline Chrispb

  • Mindsaysyesbodysaysnono
  • *
  • Posts: 2980
  • Thanked: 91
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 52reg TDI 115 Ghia
  • First Name: Chris
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2019, 09:43:37 PM »
Hi BJ
Did you take the unit apart? you need to do that to get to the filter.
There is a spring loaded flap valve in the base of the pot but don't recall the spring being that big.
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
All for a pint of Strongbow.

The FordMPV.com Forum - The free forum for questions and answers relating to the Ford Galaxy, S-Max and C-Max

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2019, 09:57:50 PM »
Hi Chris,

Yes I did and yes there is a spring loaded flap valve - but no it's nowhere near that big! I wonder if this was put into the filler or something?  It was wrapped around the fuel pump when i took it out - I thought it was a thermostat or something like that.

The pump seems to be working just fine - It wasn't very dirty at all - and there was a small amount of crap in the filter - again unlikely to stop fuel getting through.

Oh well I'll wait and see what stops next or if someone recognises it!.

Many thanks

BJ
On the Square

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2019, 11:40:05 PM »
It might not be supposed to be there - I found a similar one in the tank of a Discovery when we had it dropped off the car for some welding, never did find where it came from! Could imagine its possible its got into the tank from a fuel can or pump, but could it actually get into the pump at all?

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2019, 06:26:40 AM »
Hi Brian,
No it couldn't get into the pump at any point but I suppose it could have caused some issues as it may have touched the fuel sender element which is exposed. Other than that I don't think so.

Cheers

BJ
On the Square

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2019, 06:27:11 PM »
Hi Guys,

The problem I had thought had gone away - but it recurred again today - but when restarted it appears that every time the brake pedal was pressed it stopped and had to be re started. Once it finally got going - it was fine again.

Any ideas?   Change the brake light switch ?
On the Square

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2019, 06:42:45 PM »
Cant see why the switch would effect it. If anything likely to be causing problems on that side of things the rear hatch wiring would be the first place to check, but wouldn't expect a problem there to cause engine to stop. I've known broken wires there to cause other faults elsewhere though.

Offline johnnyroper

  • *
  • Posts: 2699
  • Thanked: 126
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 02 tdi 115 ghia
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2019, 07:06:59 PM »
Back feeding down an earth causing a relay to drop out with voltage both sides of the coil.

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2019, 10:01:56 PM »
Thanks Gents - So where and what shouyld I be looking for? ???
On the Square

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2019, 12:52:54 AM »
Broken wires on the tailgate, if nothing there check the doors, though given the brake lights seem involved think the tailgate more likely. Its worth ruling out at any rate as doesn't cost anything to look, and is a known problem area.

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2019, 12:54:59 AM »
Right hand side rubber boot just to be clear on that. While your there, have a check of the rear lights for any odd behaviour as well, lights coming on when they shouldn't do  or not working.

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2019, 08:54:13 PM »
Hi Guys,
Took a trip to my brothers in Suffolk 420 miles in 2 trips - not an issue at any point.  I have checked the tailgate wiring and can't see any breaks or feel any cables that could be broken.

Is it possible that there might be another foreign object in the tank that moves around and causes some sort of blockage? Is that likely?
On the Square

Offline brianh

  • *
  • Posts: 620
  • Thanked: 61
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 2001 2.3 Ghia LPG
  • First Name: Brian
  • Region: South East
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2019, 09:22:46 PM »
That is pretty much what was reported by the previous person that had that sort of issue - specifically it was the foil seal from the inside of a bottle of redex or the cardboard bit inside the cap - a small disc at any rate.

Best bet to me would seem to be put that clear fuel hose in place so you can see whats going on, and leave it there until you get the problem again, then get someone to try to start and see if it looks like fuel is coming up - then at least you know if its a fuel supply issue or something else.

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2019, 05:35:36 PM »
Hi Brian,

Thanks for this - It's still happening though!. It feels like fuel starvation - it did it again to me today - leave it a couple of minutes and it starts and runs perfectly. I think the tank is going to have to be investigated.  I'll empty the fuel, remove the fuel pump and see what i can find.  I'll let you know what happens.

Regards

BJ
On the Square

Offline bigjeeze

  • *
  • Posts: 307
  • Thanked: 2
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2 Auto
  • Spec: 03 Tdi Ghia Auto
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2019, 08:27:41 PM »
Just another thought .... How does the car stop the engine? Is there a fuel stop solenoid or similar or is is just stopped via the fuel pump?  Any ideas?

BJ
On the Square

Offline johnnyroper

  • *
  • Posts: 2699
  • Thanked: 126
  • Model: Galaxy Mk2
  • Spec: 02 tdi 115 ghia
  • Region: South West
  • Country: United Kingdom
Re: Engine stopping -again!
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2019, 10:52:44 PM »
ECU kills fuel pump,injectors and spark.

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Latest
5 Replies
5389 Views
Latest October 23, 2015, 10:18:13 PM
by technics100
2 Replies
975 Views
Latest February 06, 2018, 07:26:15 AM
by dandia
8 Replies
889 Views
Latest May 26, 2018, 07:44:18 PM
by brianh
5 Replies
573 Views
Latest December 22, 2018, 12:28:25 PM
by po79
4 Replies
681 Views
Latest November 10, 2018, 10:13:18 PM
by gregers
14 Replies
635 Views
Latest November 16, 2019, 05:38:53 PM
by insanitybeard

Advertisement: