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Author Topic: ESP Warning light and Radio not working  (Read 1544 times)

Offline Philip Meldrum

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ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« on: April 14, 2018, 01:30:49 PM »
I have a 2009 Seat Alhambra
Some time ago the ESP warning light came on, and around the same time the radio stopped working.
I thought is was probably just a fuse, but checked the one for the radio and it was fine.

Took the car to our mechanic and his diagnostic kit identified the clock-spring as the problem.
This was duly replaced, but the warning light remained on.
They also checked the Radio, and it appeared to have power, but just would not work.

Speaking with his spares dealer, they suggested it could be the 'central control unit' £1,500!
So we took it to the local Seat dealer for diagnosis.

The Seat dealer also came back with the clock-spring, and when we explained it had been replaced, checked it again, "checked all the relays and earthing points. Seat believe it is a wiring fault, and estimate £500 plus to go through the whole wiring loom

I'm not convinced - would this also explain why the radio is not working?
And our mechanic still suspects the central control unit...

So has anyone seen this kind of fault before?
Any ideas?
I read somewhere about there being TWO fuses for the radio - does anyone know if this applies to the Alhambra Mk1?


« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 09:06:43 PM by Mirez »

Offline Philip Meldrum

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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2018, 01:32:31 PM »
Can't see how to edit the post, so a quick correction - its a 2009 NOT 1999

Offline Philip Meldrum

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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2018, 06:48:58 PM »
I should add that I replaced the radio with a second hand one, and we also tried a radio that we knew worked, and it did not work.
But the Radio appears to have power...

Offline brianh

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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2018, 10:06:00 PM »
I'd suggest you get hold of VCDS as a starting point. the lite version and a cable can be found on eBay for less than a Tenner. Can't see how the esp would have anything to do with the clock spring, usually that only causes the airbag light to come on.

The exact errors still being logged should give you a clue whats going on

What doesn't work on the radio? Is it failing to respond at all, or just doing everything except making sound?

You have a MK2 Alhambra if its a 2009 vehicle.

Offline Philip Meldrum

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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2018, 10:39:52 AM »
Thanks Brianh
The radio is completely dead...

I will try to get the error codes from my mechanic, or Seat.

I think it is a Mark1 - no sliding doors, and removable rear seats rather than folding. I think it was a late registration or something...
(We bought it second hand 3 years ago)

Offline sparky Paul

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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2018, 12:08:45 PM »
I think it is a Mark1 - no sliding doors, and removable rear seats rather than folding. I think it was a late registration or something...
(We bought it second hand 3 years ago)

No, Brian is right, it's a mark 2 -  built from 2000-2010.

Mark 1 is from 1994-2000.

The exact fault codes would be probably be useful. I remember someone else had a very similar problem a long time ago - radio and ESP not working, but I think the VAG-COM fault showing was 'steering angle sensor', not airbag/clockspring related.

I'm sure it was something to do with a 12V supply to various circuits being missing, maybe fuse 32? Not certain about that, but there was a fault in the wiring loom somewhere.

Offline johnnyroper

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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2018, 03:44:16 PM »
Isn’t there a bunch of wires spliced under carpet/sill trim on passenger side that causes electrical gremlins?

Have a look in ref library as some info there.

Offline brianh

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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2018, 07:03:09 PM »
Isn’t there a bunch of wires spliced under carpet/sill trim on passenger side that causes electrical gremlins?

Have a look in ref library as some info there.

There definitely is on the mk1 - front passenger side around where your feet would be if sat on the seat. Can be accessed by removing the side trim around the door and lifting the carpet up. I would expect the same path is used in the mk2 as they are quite similar. Think the usual cause of problems there is corrosion to the harness due to the rear washer leaking where the pipe joins and is held together by luck mostly just above the footwell.

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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2018, 03:48:19 AM »
Splice joint 32 and fuse 32 are certainly candidates for your problems, unfortunately the symptoms are not always the same as it depends where the high resistance is on the splice joint.
From memory there are five or six red and white wires bundled together depending on the spec of the car.

https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-common-faults-and-problems/splice-joint-32/msg7309/#msg7309/

 
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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2018, 11:26:31 AM »
Thanks for the tips.
I guess I need to take a deep breath and check the wiring...

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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2018, 05:38:12 PM »
Thanks for the tips.
I guess I need to take a deep breath and check the wiring...

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Before you do that, try and get hold of a VCDS cable (eBay cheapest bet, should be able to find one for less than £10 easily). Then find a laptop from someone if you haven't got one, install the drivers for the cable (that come with it) and VCDS lite from Ross-tech (free) and connect it to the car, do a fault code scan and see what comes up.

It turns out the ESP usually has a steering wheel angle sensor, which may be the reason for the clock spring diagnosis you've been given already. (I can't confirm this to be the case for the Alhambra though) But it may also be the case that you actually need to clear the error before the light will go out. Don't know for sure, but your stabbing in the dark a bit without knowing what its complaining about to start with, and before you delve further into the wiring it would be a good idea to make sure you aren't introducing further problems (at least then if fresh codes come up you might know what you've done to upset it further and be able to fix it!)

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Re: ESP Warning light and Radio not working
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2018, 10:26:34 PM »
It turns out the ESP usually has a steering wheel angle sensor, which may be the reason for the clock spring diagnosis you've been given already. (I can't confirm this to be the case for the Alhambra though) But it may also be the case that you actually need to clear the error before the light will go out.

I think the steering angle sensor fault is often one of the clues. The fault causes the ESP to stop working, and the sensor is supplied by the 12v supply involved in the bunch of wires mentioned above.

 

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