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Author Topic: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens  (Read 461 times)

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Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« on: January 25, 2021, 05:11:25 PM »
Both of my front and rear heated screens have just failed.
Fuses look ok.
Only fuse blown is a 5 amp No.18
Where is the location of the Relay for the heated screens? Do I need to drop the fuse box?

If I turn the blower direction from screen to floor and screen and back to screen the frond screen will come back on and time out.

This just happened the other day in the frost when I started up the car to warm it up, there was also a faint burning smell when I came to the car so the relay may have burnt out?

Is there a wiring diagram with locations available on the site?

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2021, 09:59:35 PM »
The relay for the heated screen is the 4th from the left hand side on the bottom level of the fusebox. Labelled K164 on the diagram.

Note that this might have changed on the later models, what detail I've got doesn't go that far forward, though most appears to be the same upto the end of the mk2 2006 range (the later mk2 on the VW/Seat do vary in a few ways from the original mk2 whilst Ford were still involved).

Fuse 19 is used for the screen switch, fuse 73 (50A) and 32 (5A) are for the front.
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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2021, 10:14:44 PM »
Also probabbly worth mentioning the fuse 73 will be on the lower level of the fusebox where the relay is, along with the others in the 70's range.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2021, 10:16:32 AM »
Thank's, I will take a look at that when the weather dries out a bit outside.
Will the fuse box clip and release to gain access to the relays or do I have to unbolt it and drop it down, haven't had any need to go near it up to now.

I just replaced the alternator clutch pulley yesterday, without jacking up the engine but it was tight getting the holding pin for the tensioner it to position with the A/C pipe

On anther topic, just curious I had the A/C recharged last year and was working fine for about 3 days.
It stopped when the wife was driving the car, just curious if that no.18 5 amp fuse is anyway connected?
I know there is no charge in the system at the moment and never got around to do anything with it.
Either there was to much pressure on the high side and something just gave.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2021, 11:50:16 AM »
https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-common-faults-and-problems/galaxy-mk2-tdi-gaining-access-to-central-junction-box-fuses-relays/

This might help with access to relays.

For the screen heaters also worth a check of the battery fuse box for heat damage as itís a weak point,higher loads like heated screens could be too much for slightly damaged wiring to take?

Air con wise as thereís no gas in system I am assuming thereís a leak and as it worked for 3 days probably a slow leak rather than a fractured pipe. The receiver drier on end of condenser is worth looking at as they leak from there.

https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-common-faults-and-problems/ford-galaxy-diagnosing-ac-gas-leaking-from-drier-cap-area/

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2021, 12:44:56 PM »
Fuse 18 is shown to be for engine cooling and air con, so possibly yes. Though no charge also suggests a leak, as said above the condensor cap being the likely cause of that. The cap is the likely problem area if the system appears to hold a charge then gradually lose it over a few days/weeks. Cap is accessible from the bumper area.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2021, 11:01:26 AM »
Just to give an update on this issue.

I do apologise it was fues 19 that was blown and there is a dead short.

I had checked fuse 73 (50 Amp) which is fine, I pulled out the relay for the heated screen and it was still blowing the fuse

Next dry day I will disconnect both heted screen switches and see if it still blows fuses.

Is there a wiring cicuit available so that I can trace further if the switches check out ok?

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2021, 11:20:34 AM »
Check your messages I sent you some further info there

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2021, 04:49:54 PM »
See attached, formatting isn't the nicest unfortunately!

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2021, 05:06:28 PM »
Does the ATC module (if you have the auto climate control verison) actually work ok? Its linked to the heated screens and vunerable to liquid damage from the (stupidly badly designed) cup holders. This also goes back to the services 32 splice, theres info on that in the reference library, I'd check that out just in case thats where your issue is (though that circuit doesn't seem to go through services 32 other bits of the heated screen circuit does).

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2021, 05:50:07 PM »
Thank's for the attached .pdf, It should help alot.
The car does not have auto climate control.
The only one thing that I can say about the day that it gave up operating, The car had bad condensation on the inside of the front screen and there was actually 3 drip trails of water running down the screen the same day, I would have to say it was the worst condensation I have ever noticed in the car since I have it.
Sorry for the delay getting to read the messages as I only access this email address on my PC and not my phone.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2021, 06:11:54 PM »
I'd have a check of the usual suspects - the scuttle under the front wipers area for blocked drain holes being the most likely to account for that level of water. And easiest to fix!

I'm not sure you'd get the message displaying for new pm if you were on a mobile browser, so easy to miss that. Be aware that later models might not be completely covered by that pdf as the software only shows upto 2003 3/4 (late 2003 models) so anything thats changed after that might not be reflected. But majority should be fine.

At least with the burning smell, you should be able to locate the problematic component with any luck.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2021, 02:29:32 PM »
I have pulled out both switches and the fuse no.19 is still blowing and I have noticed the burning smell to be at its strongest under the wiper linkage.
I had better remove the wiper arms and scuttle to take a closer look.
Just curious what is on that circuit passing by the wiper linkage area under the scuttle.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2021, 05:13:22 PM »
Heated washer jets?

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2021, 05:36:08 PM »
Which are also on the same circuit, and strike me as being the most likley cause given the close proxomity of water and electricity in them.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2021, 05:48:22 PM »
Doesnít have heated washer jets, didnít take it apart yet.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2021, 05:51:29 PM »
Or at least not that I am aware of.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2021, 05:52:56 PM »
I was under impression that if it has the heated front screen, it has the jets to go with it? There isn't much else in that area other than the wipers, windscreen washers and the windscreen itself. Not sure where the wiring for the screen sits, its usually around the bottom on either side?

Pm me your Vin if you want and I will check what part Microcat says for your vehicle?

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2021, 06:13:35 PM »
Brian, Just sent you a PM.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2021, 06:17:18 PM »
Your VIN shows the heated option, 1478846 being the part number (described as a pair so this should be both jets)

If they are like other Ford ones, you should be able to unplug the heater and still be able to use it, without the heating function.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2021, 06:29:48 PM »
I am surprised by that, will check it out, Thanks!

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2021, 06:33:20 PM »
Looking at this

https://www.fordoriginalparts.pl/product-pol-12994-DYSZE-SPRYSKIWACZA-SZYBY-PRZEDNIEJ-GALAXY-2000-06-_-1478846-_-4M21-17B671-ABYYCZ.html

It seems there is a single common plug, the ones I've seen on other Fords have been a different design where the plug is on the jet itself or very close to it. So if you can find that plug you might be able to just disconnect it for now to see if that stops your fuse blowing.

Given the age I'd suspect the wiring has suffered and started to corrode looking at the picture of it. Its on the same circuit as the rest of the stuff as you can see from the circuit diagram.
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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2021, 06:34:51 PM »
The link didn't work how I meant it to, heres the photo directly posted

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2021, 05:47:59 PM »
It was the passenger side washer jet that got fried, just chopped the cable for now and taped it up. Decided to grease up the wiper spindles and replace the pollen filter while I was working in that area, and thankís again Brian for your help.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2021, 08:18:30 PM »
Good stuff, I can now see why they come as a pair. At least you should be able to use the screens now too.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2021, 08:04:21 AM »
Those pollen filters are a nightmare to replace
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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2021, 03:20:15 PM »
Those pollen filters are a nightmare to replace

Nowhere near as bad as the ones that are in the passenger footwell.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2021, 05:55:59 PM »
You want go try doing an Alfa Romeo giulietta,on right hand drive models you need to hold clutch pedal down and manoeuvre the filter around steering column. Typical Italians didnít switch heater box around when making RHD cars.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2021, 07:04:35 PM »
I think the same is true of Ford for LHD Galaxys & Mondeos and anything else on the EUCD platform.  Don't think Focuses and others on that platform have anything as sophisticated as pollen filters. 8 -)

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2021, 08:38:32 PM »
The MK1 Focus has the pollen filter fitted under the windscreen wiper scuttle area. Just remove the bit on the righthand side and its there. Far easier to change than a lot of cars, the most difficult bit is getting the plastic cover to stay in place afterwards.

The wierdest one I've changed was on a Nissan Navara - you had to release the glovebox for its clips to get to it.

Speaking of lefthand to righthand swaps, I remember someone I worked with had a Citron Xantia - The clutch cable had a plastic fitting on the end of the pedal assembly. Took it into a garage to get it fixed after he had broken down on the way to work, Garage said leave it with them and they would give him a call when they had a look at it. Turned out the cable on the RHD version is quoted at 9 hours labour to swap the bit out, LHD version 30 minutes. All down to access to where the cable was sitting, you just couldn't get to it without a major amount of dissasembly first on the RHD ones.

I've also got a Renault that tells you there is an Auxillary fusebox behind the glovebox in Renault's own manuals. What it doesn't tell you, is that if you have the RHD version its in the place where the glovebox would be on a LHD car. And the only easy access to it is through the hole where the handbrake control usually sits. A right swine of a job to access as its near impossible to see what your hands are doing as your arm is blocking your view through the hole.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2021, 10:02:03 PM »
If someone asks you to do either the pollen filter or the bonnet cable on a MkIV Mondeo, laugh and walk away.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2021, 11:12:41 PM »
The MK1 Focus has the pollen filter fitted under the windscreen wiper scuttle area. Just remove the bit on the righthand side and its there. Far easier to change than a lot of cars, the most difficult bit is getting the plastic cover to stay in place afterwards.

The wierdest one I've changed was on a Nissan Navara - you had to release the glovebox for its clips to get to it.

Speaking of lefthand to righthand swaps, I remember someone I worked with had a Citron Xantia - The clutch cable had a plastic fitting on the end of the pedal assembly. Took it into a garage to get it fixed after he had broken down on the way to work, Garage said leave it with them and they would give him a call when they had a look at it. Turned out the cable on the RHD version is quoted at 9 hours labour to swap the bit out, LHD version 30 minutes. All down to access to where the cable was sitting, you just couldn't get to it without a major amount of dissasembly first on the RHD ones.

I've also got a Renault that tells you there is an Auxillary fusebox behind the glovebox in Renault's own manuals. What it doesn't tell you, is that if you have the RHD version its in the place where the glovebox would be on a LHD car. And the only easy access to it is through the hole where the handbrake control usually sits. A right swine of a job to access as its near impossible to see what your hands are doing as your arm is blocking your view through the hole.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2021, 07:15:47 PM »
If someone asks you to do either the pollen filter or the bonnet cable on a MkIV Mondeo, laugh and walk away.

I guess they went away from the bonnet lock not being cable operated for those then? Strange thing is I've had a few of early Focus' that didn't have problems with that arrangement, but seen no end of problems with the mk2 one of my neighbours had where that mechanism had been extended with a flexible cable but still operated from the front of the car. Not a good idea, as the original one had failed (and this seems a common issue as theres plenty of how-tos on the web about it). Managed to get him a replacement off Amazon which he fitted, only to find he still had problems with the lock. I managed to get it open again with use of a very small ratchet through the front grille without destroying the new lock, but discovered the new replacement part whilst it appeared fine, wouldn't actually turn the catch - as soon as it encountered any resistance it span on the cable rather than turning. Found a different design of the same part in the end to fix that and sent the useless one back, but wasn't impressed by the design overall.
 

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2021, 08:07:08 PM »
I've changed many pollen filters on Fords built up until about 2008 in my days as a mechanic. The Mk1, 2 and 3 Mondeos were no trouble. Same for the Mk1 Ka and Mk4 Fiesta. All of these had filters accessed from outside by lifting/ removing the scuttle trim on the nearside (on RHD vehicles), which if done correctly were no trouble and the scuttle would refit just fine with no damage. The Mk5 Fiesta was accessed internally from the nearside footwell but wasn't too bad, no complaints from me about those. The Mk1 Focus was accessed externally, the scuttle trim had stupid plastic welded clip brackets which usually broke if you lifted the trim too far to change the filter, or removed the trim completely. They were also crap to try to get to sit correctly when refitting if said clips or brackets had been damaged, and water would then leak in if the scuttle trim wasn't sitting nicely against the screen. So the Mk1 Focus was in my opinion one of the worst implementations. The Mk2 Focus and C-Max were accessed internally like the Mk5 Fiesta, but this time you had to drop the fusebox to get access to it, and even worse on some models with glovebox cooling a stupid air con pipe obstructed access further. This was crap but at least unlike the Mk1 Focus you didn't end up with a water leak if the scuttle hadn't been refitted properly. You can understand why many technicians simply didn't bother to replace the filter at service time on these vehicles because it was a load of hassle (I was not one of those technicians, if I was given the filter to fit I would replace it, though I may have frequently cursed the designer). The Mk1 and 2 Galaxies were a bit of an anomaly being basically a VW design and were probably one of the most hated when it came to pollen filter renewal, simply for being so service unfriendly.
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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2021, 08:23:54 PM »
Iím always suspicious when garages tick the box saying theyíve done the pollen filter. Itís such a tricky job that it must be tempting for them to skip it, knowing that the customer will have no way of knowing if they actually did it
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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2021, 08:31:54 PM »
Its not that difficult to check if its been done on the Galaxy. Theres usually at least some debris on it once its been in there a few days. if its not done for long enough, you can find it significently cuts down how much air the heater flows as well on some cars, Galaxy probabbly isn't so bad for that as the filter is quite large compared to some.

I really don't find the Galaxy one that difficult once you've done it a couple of times. Its fiddly yes, but the worst bit is getting that scuttle plate out usually.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2021, 11:14:51 PM »
I always found it more tricky checking and topping brake fluid up on the galaxy than the pollen filter.
Incidentally I was looking at service record for my bmw 5 series,serviced at dealer this time last year and pollen filter was a £110 job.2 Filters cost £75!! Easy to change as up behind glove box carbon meyle filters cost me £25. How bmw justify the cost is beyond me.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2021, 11:23:39 PM »
Someone on another forum wanted an oil filter for a mercedes. Happened to be in the dealership for some other reason so thought might as well get it here can't be too much. "yes sir we have one in stock, that will be £94 plus VAT"! He informed them they would still have 1 in stock at that price.

I know some of the pollen filters are different to others, but £75 for a pollen filter seems rather excessive thats for sure.

And as you say, filling the brake fluid is more of a tricky job, I found a half full bottle of fluid was the easiest way to get it in there without pouring brake fluid everywhere around the reservoir rather than in it.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2021, 10:11:51 AM »
£94 plus vat for an air filter.... these Germans know how to charge. Even paying inflated pre code prices at ECP is cheaper.

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Re: Front & Rear Screen Heated Screens
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2021, 07:12:57 PM »
Mercs are very expensive yet they always seem so rusty. I would like a Viano but anything over 5 years old tends to look so rusty in my experience
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