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Author Topic: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks  (Read 3487 times)

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Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« on: April 14, 2018, 07:53:35 PM »
Hi!

I would like some help with the centrallocks on my galaxy-02. When we parked it yesterday and tried to open the trunk it was locked. We tried to lock/unlock the centrallock but no luck. After that the centrallocks stopped working.

 I started to check for faults today, I have repaired the wires to the driver door before so I started with checking that again. I found one cable that was broken, so I repaired it and checked the rest and they were fine. No problems with the other door wirings.

Now when I press my remote the lights are flashing but thats it. When I lock with the key the drivers door and fuelflap locks, nothing else. The same when locking from the inside.

The tailgate is locked and the keylock is siezed... Ive read that the cables to the tailgate needs checking, never checked it before. Any tips on how to get the tailgate open without key?

Im grateful for all the tips I can get and if someone has a wiring diagram it would be great!

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2018, 10:13:16 PM »
A can of WD40/GT85 or similar with the straw that comes with it and flooding the bootlock through the keyhole slot would be a good start if you haven't already tried that. (maintenance fluid if you don't have those over there are the same thing, you want something that isn't going to leave too much residue ideally as it will only attract more stuff to stick otherwise). Sometimes time can help that to work as well, with repeated applications over a couple of hours.

Yes tailgate cables are the likely cause, if the drivers were in poor condition (nothing unusual there!) then the tailgate is probably even worse.

It may be worth pulling the central locking fuse (19 i think) and trying to get it to reset the locking by doing so, though I would guess you've had a wire snap the last time the boot opened/closed. Otherwise i would suspect you will have to remove the boot door liner from inside (not really possible with it locked shut without destroying it in the process).

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2018, 04:21:30 PM »
Now I have spent the hole day on the car and no success.....

I managed to remove the inside of the tailgate and got it open. I checked the cables all the way from the lock to the hinges, the look fine!

I checked the wires to all the doors and there was nothing wrong that I could see. In the driver door I took out the loom and double checked the cables, visually and with a multimeter. Nothing wrong there.

I checked all the fuses and they were ok. Also took out the fuse (19) to reset.

I never used the lock in the passenger door but when I tested it today nothing happened, only that door locks. I guess all the doors should lock when the centrallocks are working? The cables looks fine but maybe I should focus on that door?

The rear doors wont cause all the doors to fail if I remember correctly?

A wire diagram would be gold.... tips on where to find?

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2018, 04:29:24 PM »
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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2018, 06:56:47 PM »
The Red/Yellow one has a bit of damage, but nothing that should be stopping it working (does want fixing sometime soon though). Can't see anything else in that photo but would suggest you gently pull the wires apart and check there aren't any hidden breaks you can't see.

The other thing that you can do is unplug the door and see if that helps (the connector twists off from the car, but be aware the connector on the car may drop off the body and down inside the car - you can get to the front ones reasonably easily to reposition them if so).

The normal place you'd expect to find problems on the tailgate is inside the gaiter next to the hinges - the rest doesn't flex on every open/close so no reason to expect damage there really under normal circumstances.

Given you've ruled out the drivers door wiring, and the passenger door lock doesn't appear to work, it could be either the passenger door lock motor itself, or the wiring to that door. Again the unplugging test may help here.

Did you manage to unsieze the boot lock barrel?

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2018, 07:12:32 PM »
No the boot lock seems to be a hopeless case, gave it a lot of oil over night but no luck. We havent used the lock at all since we bought the car, the centrallock and the handle has always worked so we never needed to use the key.

I will try to disconnect the contact from the passenger door and will fix the cables that seems suspect. In the drivers door i tested all the cables with a micrometer, i will test the cables in the passenger door in the same way and hope for some result.

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2018, 09:29:49 PM »
Bear in mind your not just looking for continuity, but also short circuits between different cables. The insulation on the original cables is awful, and as they flex it eventually starts breaking off (like you can see on the photo you posted earlier).

Incidentally i tried to use the drivers door lock with the key on mine yesterday having not used it since I got the Remote key working before Christmas. I can't even get the key to go into it fully! Another one for the to do list!

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2018, 07:24:27 PM »
it continues....

I checked all the wirings in all the doors and the tailgate a second time. All wires seems to be ok.

I removed the doorlock in the passenger door and checked microswithes etc. I also repaired all the cables with small cracks in the isolation. When closing the passenger door with key the lights are flashing but nothing else locks.

I removed the lock to the tailgate and managed to get the key to work. The microswithes seems to be ok, when locking/unlocking the tailgate with the key the lights are flashing but nothing else. The tailgate can not be opened with the handle.

I have tried to disconnect the doors but the centrallock will not engage. It seems like the module gets the signal to close/open and lights are confirming but the signal to lock doesnt come out to the locks...

I tested to connect the car with VCDS lite but it couldnt read anything from the central locking. Tips on that?

I checked fuse 19, centrallocks. There is not 12V when the ignition is off but there is 12V when the ignition is on. Is that ok?

To make it clear, I will repeat how it works at the moment:

Remote: Lights are flashing, nothing locks/unlocks

Key in driver door: Lights are flashing, the motor in the driverdoor is working, the fuelflap locks/unlocks, no other doors react

Key in passenger door: The door locks but no motor activity, lights flashing, nothing else in the other doors

Rear doors: Only the doors are locking when pressing handle. No motors running

Tailgate: With key the lights are flashing to lock/unlock but nothing happens in any of the centrallocking system. It can not be opened with handle, only with key. The locking motor remains at closed position.

Im running out of ideas what to do so im grateful for all the tips I can get!

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2018, 08:14:02 PM »
As you have checked and double checked wiring and the fuse along with no comms with vag com I would say your central locking control unit is dead. If memory serves correct from when I had my dash out it is drivers side up above pedals?

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2018, 08:31:20 PM »
I think i found the same thing with VCDS - I'd suspect on a Sharan it works, but the Ford system is Ford not VW so VCDS won't work (a Ford diagnostics should work, like Focom or f-super but i haven't tried to tell you for sure). Given you can't use a Sharan/Seat remote key on the Galaxy they clearly aren't identical from whats been said in the past?

F19 feeds multiple circuits - supposed to be central locking, park assist, the radio, diagnostics, temp control (interior rather than engine) and the instrument cluster. I'd suspect you might need to also look at F32/F75 looking at the wiring diagram, but the same listing shows thats for engine management? it also shows f75 which appears to be buried in the back of the fusebox in one of the layers you can't see till you get it out. So only seeing power on f19 when ignition is on is probably correct. I know i found pulling that fuse stopped the locking doing anything when i had issues with it locking and unlocking itself so i could at least lock it.

If you can get the front cover off that covers the fusebox it may be worth reseating the connector at the top (middle one i think if i remember rightly) as this should be the one for the central locking (at least it was on the mk1 as thats where i tapped into for the aftermarket remote locking kit, can't remember the colours though).

This thread might be worth a look at > https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-common-faults-and-problems/re-central-locking/

If you look at the pictures there you can see the pins where they join the tracks inside the lock unit - They don't look like the most robust of connections, its possible one of them is not connected right, you might be able to identify which lock if you have a spare unit (think both the front ones will plug in either side, just you can't install them in the wrong door, so would be a case of plugging it into the connector, locking the latch by using a screwdriver in the catch bit and then try operating the lock from the other door and see what happens (just watch your fingers at that point!)

If you had to choose one to swap out or strip and try to get to work i'd start looking at the tailgate lock, partly as its easier to get into than the door ones, and yours seems broken anyway given the electronics don't do anything with the handle.

Do your interior lights work correctly from every door? They should go on when the door is opened, then off a short while (about 10 seconds) after all doors are closed, if they are set to come on and don't then the wiring diagram seems to show the switches that operate those (the ones at the bottom of the door on the catch end mounted to the car body) are somehow tied into the same system, its possible one of those switches isn't working right and may be causing it to do odd things, although i think the locking is all contained in the lock itself as far as i know.

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2018, 09:15:05 PM »
The interior lights works just like they should: turns off when pressing lock and turns on when unlocking with delay etc.

Thanks for the tips so far, I will continue and give feedback!

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2018, 09:49:14 PM »
I had central locking issues after I did some loom repairs (block in loom plug pushed back) part of the diagnosis I fairly sure I connected VCDS and got an error with the lock pop up. I think only ford systems are the petrol engines and the pats everything else is VAG? So vcds should connect to central locks on yours aswell.

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2018, 01:03:09 PM »
I borrowed a friends computer and it with that i managed to connect to the car with vagcom! 8-)
First i took out the saved codes:

01147 luggage compartment lid locking motor (V120) 29-10 short to ground intermittent
01142 ##shareware##
01146  ##shareware##
01148 activation of safety/deadbolt locks in doors 29-10 short to ground intermittent

I deleted them all and used the remote key to lock/unlock:

01146 centrallocking motors front passenger and rear doors locked 29-00 short to ground
01142 ##shareware##
01145  ##shareware##
01144 central locking motor unlock passenger door 28-00 short to B+

Deleted and tested to lock/unlock passenger door with key:
01146
01142

I deleted the codes again and tested to lock/unlock the drivers door from the inside:

01146 centrallocking motors front passenger and rear doors locked 29-00 short to ground

That code popped up every time I locked the door. Tested to unplug the doors but the code came back.
I tested with only one of the doors connected, gave 01146 short to ground
When I unplugged all the doors except the driver door i got the same code but open circuit instead...

I had to stop there to go home and babysit.... Ideas on how to proceed?

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2018, 03:25:06 PM »
The passenger door sounds like the cause of the problem - either you have a broken wire you haven't found, or you have a fault in the lock motor (as the open circuit would be caused as you have disconnected stuff, so thats expected, The missing short to ground is the key bit. Next step i'd suggest is unplug the lock motor in that door, clear codes and try again, if you only get the open circuit message then its probabbly inside the lock motor you need to be looking.

The post below is the only one besides yours that comes up with that error code. Also note the comment there about fuse 27 though - It has been observed before that some fuse aren't labelled as clearly as you'd expect on some combinations, I'd been going off the Haynes manual but starting to suspect that is wrong as well.
https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-vw-sharan-seat-alhambra/trying-to-find-vag-com-measuring-block-values-for-central-locking/msg26099/#msg26099

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2018, 08:14:31 PM »
The locks are working correctly!

When I disconnected the passengerdoor and both the rear doors i got the open circuit code. When i connected one of them i got the short to ground code. That seemed very odd, 3 locks wont brake at the same time...

I read about fuse 27 in the above link. In my car there wasnt a fuse att all in that place either. For fun I measured both pins before I put in a fuse. 12V and about 4V in the other.

I put in the correct fuse and everything worked! It makes you wonder why it had worked before. I guess the short to ground code came because there wasnt enought voltage to the locks? Just thinking loud  :)

I see things positive, now I have checked all the wires very carefully and repaired all the cracks I could find. I also have a tailgate lock that works!

I thank you all and hope this thread can be a good help for others! //Roger [THANKS]

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2018, 09:43:46 PM »
Might have not worked before as someone took it out rather than repairing the wiring (best guess the locks would do the dance of opening/locking repeatedly with it in place before due to the broken wires).

Good to hear its working hopefully you've got it sorted now.

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Re: Galaxy 2002 centrallocks
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2018, 04:54:33 PM »
Hmm interesting stuff... will look at mentioned fuses in mine as I have an ongoing very similar issue except my tailgate works fine as does drivers door and fuel filler flap. my passenger doors either do nothing at all now or the front N/S and rear O/S unlock only... Damned nightmare ;)

 

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