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Galaxy slow starting, intermittent.
« on: August 20, 2013, 03:04:22 pm »
Hello guys and gals

First post on here but I have been shadowing the site for a while and a very worthwhile one indeed!

I have only recently bought a galaxy 2004 model, 1.9tdi 130bhp.

It seems to be ticking some of the most common faults they have and it's getting a bit frustrating now!

I have the usual drive shaft issues but I've got a new one for the drivers side so will be fitting it this week hopefully.

One issue that's really annoying Is starting. I have looked at about a thousand post on various sites including this one and some people start the post, get suggestions then never finish it, so we never find out what exactly fixed it.

Basically when I go to start it, especially after sitting all night it can take about 20 seconds of cranking and finally it catches, but other times it catches first time, usually after a run. When it does start it runs fine, no blast of smoke etc. I personally feel it was drawing air into the system, as on idle it's a tiny bit bumpy, and I had a jeep that was exactly the same once. I've checked for leaks around pipe work, tank, filter etc but nothing. If I park the car nose facing downhill slightly the. It usually starts firsts time which enforces my theory as the fuel isn't running back to the tank.

As a finding task I have put a clear filter inline after the fuel filter to see if there was any bubbles in the fuel but nothing. I changed the fuel filter about 2 weeks ago just in case, and made sure the wee return valve thing was in good order etc.

So, I don't think it's the glow plugs as it would do it from cold every time, and apparently these engines don't rely to much on glow plugs, especially in the summer. It doesn't appear to be the infamous relay etc as in other posts.

After the filter the fuel line goes to the dual pump, could air be getting in there by any chance? Is that the final injector pump? I had the rocker cover off (whole other issue!!) a week after buying it to replace the dreaded wiring loom, and I couldn't see where the Injectors get the diesel feed? Is it all internal or is there pipe work inside the head???

Suggestions welcome and thanks for reading this if you do, I really feel its air getting in but please feel free to offer advice?

Many thanks

Sheridan

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Re: Galaxy slow starting, intermittent.
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2013, 04:47:47 pm »
Hello  welcome5

When turning on just the ignition without trying to start can you hear the electric fuel pump briefly (sounds like a squelch type noise from under the car?
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Re: Galaxy slow starting, intermittent.
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2013, 06:19:01 pm »
Hi
Thanks I'm looking forward to using this site, very useful.

I can indeed hear it, well described the "squelch"!

I presume that pumps it to the fuel filter and onto the dual pump thing?

The clear filter I puit in line doesn't have bubbles in it and every morning is full of fuel so I'm guessing,  if it is drawing air its at the dual pump or beyond?

I could be way off the mark but it's the obvious thing at this point.

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Re: Galaxy slow starting, intermittent.
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2013, 07:37:48 pm »
I think your next stage would be to get yourself a Vagcom/VCDS cable and scan for fault codes, it's quite possible you have a faulty cam/crank sensor which usually show up on the scan.

It's also an invaluable piece of equipment if your a diy'er
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Re: Galaxy slow starting, intermittent.
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 08:01:56 pm »
I was just reading a post you replied about the cam sensor. 
If it was that would it affect the idle at all? Mine has a very slight wobble?

I'll try get a vag com thing, seems to be worth having.

In the interim could the pump draw air at that stage?
Could air be drawn after the fuel filter stage?
I've had suggestions about a leaky injector but surely that would do it every time and be very smokey on startup?

Sorry for lots of questions but I hate cars that are unreliable starting!

Ive still to start at replacing the off side drive shaft with the intermediate part etc....hopefully that'll cure the nice rumble current droning out what was a working ford stereo untill this afternoon when it just went off and won't turn on

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Re: Galaxy slow starting, intermittent.
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2013, 08:46:14 pm »
When you say has a slight wobble do you mean the whole engine moving or a wobble from the auxiliary drive belt tensioner.

Not likely to draw air in, the intank pump pressurises the primary lines soon as you turn the key on, this pressurises the lines from the tank through the filter to the dual pump, the dual pump is driven off the end of the cam and as soon as the engine is cranked supplies the high pressure to all injectors through the drillings in the cylinder head.

Injectors can leak fuel into the engine oil if disturbed or removed without replacing O ring seals. (raised oil level confirms this)
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Re: Galaxy slow starting, intermittent.
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2013, 10:05:04 pm »
I'll check the oil level and regular check it to see if it changes.  It is above the max mark but I can't confirm if it's raised as I didn't check it previously.

I meant the dual pump, as in could it draw air at that point? It's bolted in to the head, no obvious sign of seal leakage but it is a bit oily around that area. I'll take some photos tomorrow to make it a bit clearer.

The engine "wobble" is not an actual wobbling just a dip in ghe tone/revs every second or so, certainly nothing major but I had a jeep once that was drawing air from the tank end but it did the same type of thing.

Appreciate your time and advice, as plenty of threads on things but no one seems to end it with what the hell they fixed it with in the end! I've a feeling this is a simple fix, but as to what is proving difficult.


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Re: Galaxy slow starting, intermittent.
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2013, 11:05:01 pm »
You hadn't mentioned the LED on the drivers door when trying to start so can you just confirm there's no frantic flashing of the LED when cranking the engine when cold, and glow plug light is coming on for the usual second or so when key first switched on.
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Re: Galaxy slow starting, intermittent.
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2013, 11:15:29 am »
No flashing LED and glow plug light flicks on as normal.
I was speaking to a friend in work who was saying it could the the dual pump, if its leaking it could leak into the oil, so as you said check oil level to see if it's filling up?
It woukd make sense but it's certainly not the cheapest option. Would you recommend fitting a second hand part or biting the bullet and buying a new one?

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Re: Galaxy slow starting, intermittent.
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2013, 03:45:11 pm »
Don't do anything rash till you checked fault codes.
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