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Hot and cold starting problem
« on: May 27, 2014, 06:40:14 PM »
I have a 2000 Mk 2 Ford Galaxy 1.9Tdi manual. It has developed a starting problem in that on some mornings it fires up first time and runs perfectly but on other days or on subsequent starts that day it fires up then dies within a second and the throttle is non responsive.
I have found that if I keep the throttle floored and te starter cranking then after about 5 to 10 seconds the revs build and once above 1000rpm it runs correctly.

The other day while accelerating up the on ramp pulling a light caravan it went into, what I would call, limp mode but no warning lights. I pulled over shut it off and got it going again and all was well again.
Fuel economy is lower that I would expect.
I have tried the spare key and resetting the blipper key and it makes no difference.

I have downloaderd the fault code sofwatre and the lead has just arrived and once the deluge drops I  will try to fault code read it and post the results but in the meantime any ideas?
The cam belt was changed recently if that is likely to make a difference

Thanks in anticipation
Jon

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2014, 07:06:17 PM »
it fires up then dies within a second and the throttle is non responsive.

Hi Jon and welcome. Well that bit sounds like classic TDI immobiliser - what's the LED on the door doing during the start and subsequent stop?

The limp home mode can be a sign of carbon buildup within the turbo. Do you do a lot of short or stop-start driving?
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2014, 04:21:05 PM »
Mirez
With the ignition turned on the door LED light glows steady, once I turn the key to crank the engine over the light goes out and stays out as the car eventually fires up
Jon

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2014, 04:36:06 PM »
The LED on the door sounds normal, I think you may have more than one issue here so I think the next move is to scan the car for fault codes preferably Vagcom or VCDS lite.
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2014, 05:20:48 PM »
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My instinct tells me it might be a fuel priming issue or something related to the dreaded 109 relay.
Next challenge, how do I access the OBD port?
I understand it may be behind the asjtray.
I have managed to get the data lead to work with the PC so next stage will be the diagnostic
Thanks
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2014, 05:38:22 PM »
Just did auto scan with VCDS Lite and here is the report

VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Wednesday, 28 May 2014, 17:33:52.


Chassis Type: 7M - VW Sharan I
Scan: 25,01,02,03,08,09,15,16,17,18,19,22,29,35,36,37,39,45,55,56,76
 
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Address 01: Engine       Labels: 038-906-019-AJM.LBL
   Controller: 038 906 019 BF
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG  1088
   Coding: 00002
   Shop #: WSC 00020
   VCID: 5CCB1773DF33
5 Faults Found:
17978 -  Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
            P1570 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
18080 - Shareware Version. To Decode all DTCs
            P1672 - 35-10 - Please Register/Activate - Intermittent
19561 - Shareware Version. To Decode all DTCs
            P3105 - 35-10 - Please Register/Activate - Intermittent
18027 -  Glow Plug Relay (J52): Open or Short to Ground
            P1619 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
17957 - Shareware Version. To Decode all DTCs
            P1549 - 35-10 - Please Register/Activate - Intermittent
Readiness: N/A

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Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 1J0-907-37x-ABS.LBL
   Controller: 1J0 907 379 P
   Component: ABS     20 IE CAN  0001
   Coding: 12702
   Shop #: WSC 00020
   VCID: 3E0FBDFB296F
No fault code found.


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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2014, 06:54:19 PM »
FYI, as below:

Now you've noted them, clear them and go for a drive. Rescan after its done it again and see which ones have come back.





VAG Error Code: 18080
EOBD II Error Code: P1672

Fault Location:
Engine Coolant Blower Motor, Speed 1 - Open Circuit or Short Circuit to Earth

Possible Cause:
Wiring open circuit/short to earth.



VAG Error Code: 19561
EOBD II Error Code: P3105

Fault Location:
Valve for Intake Manifold Flap (N239) - Open Circuit or Short Circuit to Earth

Possible Solutions:
Check Wiring for open circuit or short to earth.
Check Valve for Intake Manifold Flap (N239) > Output Test.



VAG Error Code: 18027
EOBD II Error Code: P1619

Fault Location:
Glow Plug Relay (J52) - Open Circuit or Short Circuit to Earth


Possible Cause:
Wiring open circuit/short to earth.
Glow Plug Relay (J52) faulty.

Possible Solutions:
Check Glow Plug Relay (J52).
Perform Output Test.



VAG Error Code: 17957
EOBD II Error Code: P1549

Fault Location:
Boost Pressure Control Valve (N75) - Open Circuit or Short Circuit to Earth

Possible Cause:
Irregular behaviour.
Loss of power.
Limp mode.

Wiring and/or connections faulty (short circuit).
Boost Pressure Control Valve (N75) faulty.

Possible Solutions:
Check wiring and connections.
Check / Replace Boost Pressure Control Valve (N75).





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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2014, 07:55:03 PM »
Mirez
Thanks again
I reset the codes and took it for a spin and reran the test with this result

VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Wednesday, 28 May 2014, 18:23:52.


Chassis Type: 7M - VW Sharan I
Scan: 25,01,02,03,08,09,15,16,17,18,19,22,29,35,36,37,39,45,55,56,76
 
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Address 01: Engine       Labels: 038-906-019-AJM.LBL
   Controller: 038 906 019 BF
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG  1088
   Coding: 00002
   Shop #: WSC 00020
   VCID: 5CCB1773DF33
No fault code found.
Readiness: N/A

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Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 1J0-907-37x-ABS.LBL
   Controller: 1J0 907 379 P
   Component: ABS     20 IE CAN  0001
   Coding: 12702
   Shop #: WSC 00020
   VCID: 3E0FBDFB296F
No fault code found.

What I have found is that the fuel economy is pants at about mid 20s mpg and there is a sudden burst of power at about n2750rpm rather than a smooth increase as you'd expect.

I then ran a control module test with this result

Address 01: Engine
   Protocol: KW1281
   Controller: 038 906 019 BF
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG  1088
   Coding: 00002
   Shop #: WSC 00020

Address 03: ABS Brakes
   Protocol: KW1281
   Controller: 1J0 907 379 P
   Component: ABS     20 IE CAN  0001
   Coding: 12702
   Shop #: WSC 00020

Address 08: Auto HVAC
   Protocol: KW1281
   Controller: 7M5 907 040 C
   Component: CLIMATRONIC MPV GP  0002
   Coding: 00010
   Shop #: WSC 00020

Address 09: Cent. Elect.
   Protocol: KW1281
   Controller: 7M3 962 258 G
   Component: Multifunkt.Einheit  0001
   Coding: 04105
   Shop #: WSC 00020

Address 15: Airbags
   Protocol: KW1281
   Controller: 6Q0 909 605
   Component: 0A AIRBAG VW5  09   0004
   Coding: 12353
   Shop #: WSC 00020

Address 17: Instruments
   Protocol: KW1281
   Controller: 7M5 920 920 NX
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDO V57
   Coding: 08401
   Shop #: WSC 00001

Address 19: CAN Gateway
   Protocol: KW1281
   Controller: 6N0 909 901
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00000

Address 33: OBD-II
   Protocol: ????
   Controller: OBD-II/EOBD, Protocol Keyword: $0808

Address 3F: Unknown Address: 3F
   Protocol: KW1281
   Controller:

Address 76: Park Assist
   Protocol: KW1281
   Controller: 7M3 919 283
   Component: Parkingsyst. SH RDW D01
   Coding: 00117
   Shop #: WSC 00020

Does anything here mean anything?

Thanks again
Jon

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2014, 12:43:27 AM »
Hi Jon

Looking at your first scan there has been some issues in the past unfortunately they don't get dated so they could be from years ago, now you have no new codes which may mean you need to drive it a bit more like you stole it to see if it has any boost issues.
If you can get some live data while your driving around by doing a log file using measuring blocks  003. 010. 011 together at 100% throttle around 3000RPM this will give us more idea of what's going on with your turbo, map, maf and egr

For more info see Here

Your last post just shows a list of your modules I see your address 18 Auxiliary heater is not showing, although not an issue at the moment may be something you need to sort at a later date.
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2014, 03:12:23 PM »
I'm hoping to do a live test this weekend provided I can find a way of keeping the lap top fired up as the battery has seen better days.
I an bowing to pressure from swmbo and booked it in to a very good local garage but in the meantime a very good lorry mechanic, not fitter, friend of mine has suggested it might be a failing injector leaking fuel back. If this is anything like the Ford Mondeo injector problem I suspect that's big bucks.
Are injector problems an issue on the PD engine?
Fingers firmly crossed ??? ??? ???

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2014, 07:20:59 AM »
UPDATE
The fuel filter was very bunged up and 2 glow plugs had failed so they were replaced. I know the glow plugs dont get fired up above 5c or so. It was better for a few minutes but when I went to pick it up no better than before so he only charged me for the gilter and plugs which I would have needed anyway.

Then another chap who was recommended suggested that perhaps when they changed the cam belt they didn/t time it up properly and that for start up the crank and cam sensors need to line up perfectly but once running a degree of tolerance can be allowed.

He has told me to run the vagcom in live mode using the graph and look at the cam and crank sensor to see if they line up.

So how do I do that?
I have the free VCDS download and lead.

Any other comments? I suspect it's going to prove to be a silly little thing in the end.

Thanks

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2014, 11:41:42 AM »
The graph is for non PD engines only (MK1's), have a look at this Link may help you.

If this has only happened since the new belts been fitted there's a good chance it may be a tooth out.
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2014, 02:08:21 PM »
Thanks for the link. I did wonder if it could slip as it started perfectly when I picked it up after the timing belt was done and this problem only began a week or so later.

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2014, 02:46:14 PM »
The timing belt once set up correctly should not be able to jump teeth or slip, unless the belt tension has changed significantly or the tensioner has come loose since it was changed- which could alter the timing.
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2014, 03:26:46 PM »
So that sort of eliminates the timing belt as it was spot on for a week or so

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2014, 03:42:07 PM »
I'm convinced it's a lack of fuel. How do I test the supply to the injectors. I assume taking the supply pipe off the fuel filter and turning the ignition on might give me an indication or is there a better way?

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2014, 06:52:01 PM »
I'm not sure if that method will work, whilst I believe there is an electrically powered lift pump in the fuel tank, the fuel is drawn through to the engine by the camshaft powered mechanical tandem pump on the end of the cylinder head, so obviously the engine needs to be running for the tandem pump to operate.

I have heard a few reports of leaking injector seals (on the low pressure fuel side- the unit injectors have a number of O-rings fitted to them to seal the fuel passageways as, on the PD engine, the fuel passageways are machined through the cylinder head). Other than that, I wonder if air ingress into the fuel lines somewhere else is causing an issue?

My Galaxy misbehaves a little in a similar but not quite the same fashion, it tends to start up OK from stone cold but if you stop it and try to restart it again before it has warmed up to normal operating temperature it can chug over a few times before it fires up, I've wondered if this is due to air in the fuel lines.
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2014, 06:57:30 PM »
I think a detailed pipe check over is in order.

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2014, 07:07:01 PM »
The only thing I would say, and I can't provide an explanation for why this is, is that in my experience air ingress into fuel lines tends to go one way, i.e, the air gets in- but no fuel leaks out, therefore if you're looking for evidence of fuel leakage you'll probably find none. I once worked on a Mk3 Ford Focus diesel which would conk out after a while of sustained driving, fuel starvation was the cause, the lines were full of air but there were no fuel leaks!
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2014, 07:17:21 PM »
Problem is it runs perfectly and I would think that if air is getting in then at higher revs it should suck in loads and cause an air lock and stall the engine

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2014, 07:22:27 PM »
I don't think it works like that, I can't provide an explanation for the mechanism but that Ford Focus I mentioned in the previous post, you would go out and drive, for a distance of 30+ miles on a dual carriageway at 70mph plus, with no problems whatsoever and then the power would die, the revs would slowly drop back and the vehicle would coast to a stop with the engine stalled. After being left for 10-15 minutes or so it would start up again and off you would go.

Now, I'm not saying that this has anything to do with your issue but don't assume anything- to this day I can't explain why that car did what it did!
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2014, 11:06:14 AM »
I suspect this is going to become a saga!

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2014, 12:14:22 PM »
The intank pump supplies a low pressure feed to the tandem pump you can hear or should hear it momentarily when you first switch on the ignition, it sounds like a squelch type noise you can also remove the supply pipe to the filter, you should get a good squirt of fuel for a second or so.

The tandem pump is difficult to test as you will need high pressure test gear and is fed to the injectors through galleries in the cylinder head, if the injector seals are leaking or letting by you should see a significant rise in the engine oil level as the diesel will leak into the oil so check for a rise in oil level.

Relay 109 can give an intermittent starting issue and will cause the door LED to flash frantically when in a non start situation no fault code is logged in this situation.

Wiring faults to the injectors will usually register a fault on individual cylinders.
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2014, 05:32:54 PM »
Thanks Chris. No rise in oil level. The door led glows steady when trying to start then goes out after 4 seconds. The car starts after about 7 seconds of cranking, with or without throttle input but the start is stronger with full throttle.

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2014, 06:47:36 PM »
LATEST UPDATE

Here are the most recent scans and pictures of some of the engine mass block readings.



Chassis Type: FG - Ford Galaxy
Scan: 25,01,02,03,08,09,15,16,17,18,19,22,29,35,36,37,39,45,55,56,76
 
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Address 01: Engine       Labels: 038-906-019-AJM.LBL
   Controller: 038 906 019 BF
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG  1088
   Coding: 00002
   Shop #: WSC 00020
   VCID: 5CCB1773DF33
2 Faults Found:
17978 -  Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
            P1570 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
17552 - Shareware Version. To Decode all DTCs
            P1144 - 35-00 - Please Register/Activate
Readiness: N/A

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Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 1J0-907-37x-ABS.LBL
   Controller: 1J0 907 379 P
   Component: ABS     20 IE CAN  0001
   Coding: 12702
   Shop #: WSC 00020
   VCID: 3E0FBDFB296F
No fault code found.

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2014, 06:48:41 PM »
Does 5degrees BTDC sound right?

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2014, 08:19:43 PM »
No it doesn't the limits are 1 degree btdc and 2 degress atdc at normal operating temperature iirc mine is on 0 which is the optimal setting, was yours at normal operating temperature.
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2014, 08:27:41 PM »
No it was cold. I can recheck it tomorrow when it's up to temp.

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2014, 10:02:22 PM »
Just rereading this thread, has this problem developed since the cambelt change? If so then it is possible it wasn't timed up or tensioned spot on to begin with and having run a bit since then the tension has altered which has altered the timing.
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2014, 12:14:56 AM »
Yes it had the cambelt done in the Tuesday. If did some short runs that week the. On the Saturday spent an hour I. Stop start traffics covering 18 miles. Parked up and half an hour meter the problem was there.

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2014, 12:15:41 AM »
Excuse the fat finger typing!!

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2014, 02:33:36 PM »
Ran it up to normal working temp today and tested it again the timing has slipped bach from 5.1 BTDC at cold to 1.6BTDC when warmed up but still outside what it should be I believe.
Can anyone confirm what it should be so that I can tell the garage when I confront them tomorrow?
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2014, 08:34:33 PM »
0 is the target, +/- 1 degree at operational temperature
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2014, 08:53:12 PM »
Thanks. Until tomorrow!!

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2014, 04:16:28 PM »
O.P, did you get to the bottom of this issue? My Galaxy had a similar incident this morning where it took several good long cranks on the starter before it fired up- it fired a couple of times then died immediately, I forgot to look at what the immobiliser LED was doing whilst this was going on. It's done it a couple of times since I've had it (about 8 months) but very intermittently, the way it was behaving I would suspect fuel starvation or air in the fuel lines with the continued cranking gradually building up fuel pressure but I would expect it to be a more regular occurrence if it was fuel starvation.

I'm thinking of replacing good 'ol relay 109 before looking into fuel system issues as it seems it could be responsible for some of these symptoms, if anybody has any thoughts regarding if this is a good way to go or not then any input is appreciated!  cheers
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2014, 04:30:32 PM »
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I dropped the car off with the garage who did the timing belt and have been overseas since then. With wifi but no phone.
I am back Monday so will find out then and will post update on here

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2014, 04:48:14 PM »
Thanks for that, bizarrely I have also just renewed the timing belt but I'm positive it has no bearing on this issue as I know that the timing was bang on when I set it up, plus it isn't the first time it's happened. I'd swear the symptoms are like fuel starvation but for it to be this infrequent makes no sense. I'm hoping it's relay 109 playing up, seems like the best possible outcome!
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2014, 12:36:20 AM »
The diagnostic showed my timing to be out and that's the only thing that had changed. I am told the vernier or similar top sprocket can slip if not done up properly.

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2014, 09:10:51 AM »
It's a fair point, in which case your issue is not the same as mine, I torqued all of the cam sprocket/ tensioner bolts & nuts up to the recommended torques when I changed my timing belt last week, and before removing the timing belt (I had changed it previously- 5000 miles ago) I checked to see if the timing was still set correctly from when I set it previously, it was still spot on, plus this issue has occurred prior to me changing the belt this time, I'm hoping relay 109 is the cause of my problem.
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2014, 04:03:34 PM »
Beard et al
The car is back from the garage and working perfectly. Starts on the button, fuel economy is back in the 40's and there's no sudden turbo surge at 2500 rpm
Turns out the hew hydraulic tensioner they fitted was stuck in and the belt was loose. Once they sprang it loose everything tightened up so they took the belt and parts off, replaced the tensioner and refitted it all and hey presto!
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2014, 05:46:27 PM »
Thanks for the update! Glad it's sorted, lucky that the belt hadn't slackened to the point where it was able to jump teeth otherwise that could have been serious. So are the garage blaming it on a dodgy hydraulic tensioner which hadn't maintained belt tension properly?
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2014, 05:48:58 PM »
Blimey, that could have been disastrous! Still, glad its sorted and good luck in the traffic tomorrow ;)
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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2014, 11:16:03 PM »
Yes it could have been expensive for the garage as any belt related failure would be easily identified and I would have been knocking on their door LOUDLY!

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Re: Hot and cold starting problem
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2016, 06:56:30 PM »
Hello! I also have a problem with my Seat Alhambra 1,9 TDI PD. When cold, it starts perfectly. After that, it stard very hard. There were moments when it didnt start from the first time. When running, the engine works perfectly. What could be? What to check with VCDS? Could be de immobiliser?
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