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Author Topic: Hum / Whine RH Side front What Is it? Intermediate shaft bearing?  (Read 325 times)

Offline Pete DM

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Hi,
First time post but owned our much loved 370K Mk1 galaxy for 20 years. I do 99% of the jobs myself, aren't many things I won't tackle.
I Have a Hum / whine on the right hand side front. Did the wheel bearing and it didn't stop. Renewed the outer CV joint complete, didn't stop. It's definetly in the drive train somewhere, anything over 15mph clutch in or out, neutral or in gear, engine on or off it's still there. I can't find any percievable play in the wheel bearing or in the drive shaft anywhere between the box and th hub. As I say she's got 370k on the clock. I wondered, clutching at straws, if it's the itermediate shaft support bearing. Any Thoughts?

If it is the intermediate shaft bearing i appear to have a problem. My shaft plugs straight into the final drive7220-0 as pictured. Everything I am offered on the web to fit a Mk1 diesel is two pieces seems to be shaft with inner CV joint flange and support bearing together with a shorter mail/female splined shaft. Has there been some kind of supercession or modification? Just a bit stuck really. Any help you can offer would be appreciated.
Thank you

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Re: Hum / Whine RH Side front What Is it? Intermediate shaft bearing?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2020, 11:43:02 PM »
What you show in the photo there looks like the one to fit a mk2 (2000-2006) rather than a mk1. I think you can get the bearing seperately, Microcat seems to show 1094821 being the part number, try this link there seems many matches for a search of that number, this is just one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113893264744

Not sure how easily it comes off, or more importantly how you get the new one on.

Theres two types shown on microcat - its hard to work out which is the one to match yours without knowing your VIN, one option looks like yours, the other looks like the one in the photo you linked above with the socket cap bolts to secure it together (which my mk2 does have, but the MK1 I did have looked more like your first photo). It may be worth posting in the wanted/for sale section for a used one, Mirez (who runs this board) is also in the south west and has broken a few up previously, though not sure if hes still dealing with the earlier models now.

Offline Pete DM

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Re: Hum / Whine RH Side front What Is it? Intermediate shaft bearing?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2020, 11:39:47 AM »
brian,
Thanks for your reply. The second picture was quickly cilled from the web and, yes the inner CV Joint flange is not the Mk1 Version but the the Mk2 as you pointed out. However no one seems to offer the itermediate shaft in one piece, as shown in my first picture, for the Mk.1 They all seem to be this two piece affair.
I imagine the support bearing is a heat expansion fit. The shaft appears to be forged, big oppurtunity for an ameture, like me to cock up the heating process and damage the shaft. I'd rather fit a whole one.

You mentioned not being able to directly identify the correct parts without the VIN. Is there a way to PM you that?
Thaks
Pete

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Re: Hum / Whine RH Side front What Is it? Intermediate shaft bearing?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2020, 09:38:30 PM »
There is, But I think there might be a post requirement for that. Use the little speech bubble next to my name to do that. I will send you a pm now, hopefully you will get that one, if you can't reply I will put my email in there as well.

Suspect your right on the shaft with the bearing query, I will have a check of TIS. The longer shaft is usually 2 pieces though. I'm not sure if you could put a mk2 style shaft in place of the mk1 one either, I'd suspect not?
« Last Edit: November 21, 2020, 09:42:04 PM by brianh »

Offline brianh

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Re: Hum / Whine RH Side front What Is it? Intermediate shaft bearing?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2020, 10:00:01 PM »
TIS mentions cooling the shaft rather than heating the bearing. See attached.

Worth being aware that the longer shaft should be two pieces, there should be a splined section joining the two. Another photo is visible on this link showing what i mean, Diesels have two possible part numbers against this bit, either 3746981 or 1053189
https://avto.pro/part-1053189-FORD-12/

1053189 Seems to also suit most of the engines except for the Diesel P (I don't know what the P bit is about, but your vin will tell if it applies to you) and the petrol v6. Both the 2.0 and 2.3 show as using the same shaft as the 1053189 number listed against some of the diesel versions. I've never had a Diesel galaxy but plenty of others on here have, and some of them have had the common failure of chewing the splines up at that joint, so maybe someone else can help tell if the difference matters.

I did have the ones off my scrapped MK1 2.0 kicking about in the workshop, not sure if I've still got them but can have a look if they look like the right ones for you.

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Re: Hum / Whine RH Side front What Is it? Intermediate shaft bearing?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2020, 11:03:48 PM »
Its 3 posts before your first PM although I might relax that given the new anti spam system seems to be working so well.

Sadly no, I've not got one in stock. There isn't much call for mk1/2 parts anymore so I've not broken one in a while.

Is this not the shaft you need?
https://www.gsfcarparts.com/438fo0710?auto_apply_coupon=SHOP60&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkuP9BRCkARIsAKGLE8UHJnKl7vWOG9o-gX4P2KW3oEzYJnLRHoeoyJxcU9Vh68BBcVTk360aAq4iEALw_wcB


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Re: Hum / Whine RH Side front What Is it? Intermediate shaft bearing?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM »
Theres certainly less appearing here than the other forums I use, don't think I've seen any here so guess its getting trapped before its visible to us. Seems to also depend what software your using, the one I'm a mod on is phpBB and that seems to get an awful lot of automated spambots on a regular basis.

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Re: Hum / Whine RH Side front What Is it? Intermediate shaft bearing?
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2020, 04:15:45 PM »
The vin supplied via email shows the car in question is a Diesel P - this is shown as needing 3746981. I've no idea what the difference between that and the other number listed actually is.

I'd be inclined to try sourcing the bearing to give it a go personally. The driveshaft listed above looks right, but doesn't match by the reg number? The instructions for swapping the bearing suggest using temperature reduction spray on the shaft to get the bearing on. If your not in a rush this would seem like something you could do with the use of the kitchen freezer and keep the new bearing indoors before fitting it, as I can't see a spray can making a massive reduction in temperature.

You don't look to need the properitory tool to remove the bearing if its the manual gearbox involved either, which yours is. Alternatively have a phone round some of the local garages and see if they are willing to swap the bearing on the driveshaft you have if you remove it and take it to them if your not sure. I'd assume you can't feel any roughness in the bearing?

The other thing that can cause road noise to amplify is if the top mounts have squashed down enough over time, this is usually visible by a larger gap opening up between the cap at the top and the body. The part that fails is number 24 on the attached, the gap is between 22 and the piece of body work directly below it. There should some some gap, but if its excessive it would indicate the rubber donut bit has shrunk too far.
https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/rdw/sharan+syncro+4motion/sha/1997-162/4/407-407010/

You can see the gap on the drivers side without removing the scuttle with a torch, but its easier to see with the scuttle removed.

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......I can't see a spray can making a massive reduction in temperature.

Where it's inconvenient to turn off the supply, plumbers will use freeze cans to solidify the water in a pipe before cutting.  I've seen it work on largeish (32mm?) pipes.

If you are unfortunate enough to cop a verruca or suffer from warts, the over-the-counter freezer cans will freeze skin to a depth of 5-10mm and will allow you to snap warts right off.

So chilling a piece of metal to temps too low to handle safely would be a piece of cake.  Or arctic roll.

 

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