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Author Topic: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI  (Read 28661 times)

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Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« on: December 17, 2013, 01:46:58 PM »
Hi,
Can anyone help because Ford themselves can't.
I have a 2003 galaxy 1.9 TDI. So much was wrong with it, I took it to a main dealer and asked them to do the lot being a cheaper option than replacing the car. One of the things I had replaced was the instrument cluster as the red display between the speedo & the rev counter had gone. Replaced the cluster, so when reading 20 was going 30, reading 40 was actually 55. They replaced it but it's still the same. they now claim I need a new engine management system, I'm not convinced. I have read an old post the same as this and one of the questions was had the driveshaft been replaced. In my case, yes, is this a simple fix? Any help will be great, thank you

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2013, 02:47:41 PM »
sorry, that's a bit unclear. What I should have said is NOW when the speedo is reading 20, I'm going 30 and when speedo reading 40, I'm going just over 50.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2013, 03:37:23 PM »
From my time working with Ford I recall part of the configuration process for a new instrument cluster was inputting the axle ratio with WDS/IDS (Ford's diagnostic computer system), not sure if it's the same on the Galaxies but is it possible they've not calibrated it properly on installation? Unless it's just flatly the wrong cluster for the vehicle.
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2013, 04:12:21 PM »
Yes it could well be the drive shaft, if the incorrect shaft was fitted then the speedo pick-up signal from the ABS ring would knock out the speedo, as different years had a different number of teeth on the ABS ring which is used for the speedo IIRC.
If I'm wrong i'm sure someone will correct me.!!
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2013, 05:22:56 PM »
Thank you to you both, have made a note for those things to be checked. If anyone else comes up with another possibility, all advice will be gratefully received as I want to cover all possibilities.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2013, 05:28:29 PM »
Humm, I'm not so sure on that one - whilst yes the cluster references the ABS controller for speed it also has its own speed sensor in the gearbox which should be telling the cluster what the speed is regardless of the ABS's input. Did you have one or both shafts changed? Theoretically, if it was the shaft that was incorrect, then the ABS light would be on and the inputs from the shafts would be wildly different unless you had both changed at the same time?

Part matching on the instrument cluster is critical, there are many variants (about 26 IIRC) based on year, engine and critically - gearbox. There were around 6 variants of gearbox fitted to the TDI during its production and matching the cluster to the final drive ratio is extremely important.

Firstly, I'd ask them if they still have the old cluster so you can confirm correct part numbers.

Whilst you are there, I'd ask them how it can be the ECU when it was working perfectly well before they replaced the cluster to fix an unrelated problem. If it truly did need the ECU replaced then they better be changing it FOC as it must have been damaged whilst fitting this cluster.

Personally, I would ask them to refit the original cluster since they are clearly unable to get a new one to work correctly to see if the problem remains (I can guarantee it wont!). Then send the cluster away to a refit specialist to have the LED screen replaced for about a third of the price they will have charged you for a new one!!
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2013, 11:01:22 AM »
Thank you everyone, I'm sure all this information will help. Sadly, the original instrument cluster is long gone so I can't re-fit it to test :(

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2013, 12:29:52 PM »
It's going to be a lot harder without the original cluster unit to refer to the engineering part numbers it would have (hopefully!) had on it. The first thing to do would be to take the new unit out, check the engineering numbers on it and check with the Ford parts department that the correct unit has been fitted to the vehicle. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Ford's ECAT (parts system) is incorrect, it's happened before, if the parts department cannot be sure they should be able to raise a technical enquiry with Ford to determine if the unit is correct for the vehicle.

Your other option is to try to find a similar age and spec Galaxy in a breakers (TDI with the same power output, transmission, trim level, display type etc) and try a secondhand cluster from it.

Of course, if the dealer has screwed up and is trying to pull the wool over your eyes (especially if the speedo reading was correct until the dealer messed around with the vehicle), it should be up to them to sort it out, it sounds a little like they're trying to blind you with science.
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2013, 01:40:24 PM »
It does sound like a sensor (software) interpretation problem to me.

(i) Might be worth posting a list of what was replaced in terms of engine, gearbox, driveshafts, electronics as it may help point to where the problem could be.
(ii) Am I reading correctly that the cluster was replaced twice?  If they replaced the "first" replacement with the same model (from their history) rather than checking against what was originally fitted then that would explain why it made no difference.
(iii) If all else fails, and you are comfortable with computers (or know someone who is) then you could buy a VAG-TACHO lead (<£20) and use the free software to dump the contents of your cluster.  This will save them so you can send them back if it doesn't fix anything.  You then need to see if any members (of this and other sites) can provide you with a cluster dump from the same year, model, trim, engine and gearbox from their cluster and try uploading that to yours. This will probably mess up the mileage but I believe other members here can help you with putting that back to the original values.
(iv) First I would get the part number fitted by "your" Ford Garage if you don't have it already, then go to a different one and ask them blind what the part number for a replacement cluster for your car is.

It may also be worth getting a VCDS-LITE lead (different but <£10) and using the free software to check what speed the other electronics that use speed think is happening (ABS, Engine) to see if the whole vehicle has a problem or just the dash.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2013, 12:13:11 PM »
Again, I am so grateful to everyone giving advice and trying to help. I do have one more problem now and therefore one more question, sorry!!
How do I know establish if there may be another instrument cluster for my car? The Ford garage didn't make a note of the part number of the old cluster they returned to Ford, the part number of the new cluster they supplied and fitted is 1220553. Does anyone know of a different part number for the instrument cluster of my particular model?

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On thing that may be worth pointing out is that my particular car seems to be different to another Galaxy in the way it has satnav and a DVD player, I know these may have been optional extras or is it a different model?!!

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2013, 01:14:12 PM »
Lemoncharlie,

where abouts are you as I have a spare set of clocks here that you could fit to see if they help to resolve your problem, at least then you can tell the Ford dealer that they have supplied the wrong one!,
 unfortunately couldn't let you have them but at least go some way to sorting your problem depending where you are ?

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2013, 03:46:14 PM »
I have a 2005 1.9TDI 130 Ghia which sounds like it has the same dash (Half FIS)

Go here ->https://www.etis.ford.com/vehicleRegSelector.do

 and enter your VIN (Chassis number)

This is the Vehicle Summary for mine.

Primary Features
Build Date:     15.04.2005
Vehicle Line:     Galaxy 2000-2006
Body Style:     5 Door Saloon
Version:     High Series
Engine:     Diesel 1.9TI (130PS)
Transmission:     Economy 6
Axle Ratio:     3.68
Emission:     2000 EEC (EEC 7)
Air Conditioning:     Automatic Air Conditioning
Territory:     (+)"GB"
Paint:     Reflex Silver
Interior Fabric:     Linea / Flannel Grey

If your transmission (Economy 6) and Axle Ratio (3.68) match then I would expect the dash to be the same.  I haven't had mine out (If it ain't broke don't fix it!) so I'm not sureo f the part number. I do however have a VAG-TACHO lead as I enabled miles to empty on my trip computer (following Mirez's guide).  It is probably possible to read the cluster part via VCDS-LITE or VAG-TACHO.

Mirez will be along at some point to clarify but if the part numbers match then I can take an EEPROM dump of mine (with VAG-TACHO) and you should be able to upload it to your cluster (after taking a copy of yours first).  This would hopefully give you a working dash (with miles to empty enabled!).  I believe the cluster would then take the higher of the mileage values in the EEPROM dump (just short of 110k as it would be a dump of my cluster) or from your ECU (ie your current mileage).  Again I believe Mirez could clarify this and may know how to correct it if you have a lower mileage than mine.

Total outlay about £20 if you need both VAG-COM and VAG-TACHO leads and can wait for the VAG-TACHO lead to come from Hong Kong.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2013, 04:16:51 PM »
VCDS will give you the part number of the instrument cluster when you connect to it - its the suffix that's important.  Indeed if you cluster dump from yours and transfer it to Charlies then his cluster will inherit everything from yours including all features and mileage. Vag-Tacho can correct the mileage once done, its as simple as pressing the button and typing in what you want it display (Scary thought how easy it is to clock).

HOWEVER, if you have the factory fitted SatNav then you can't swap EEPROMS as above as the cluster you have SHOULD be a "Full FIS" where I suspect SB's is a half FIS like most Gal's
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2013, 05:24:53 PM »
Mirez is correct.  Mine is Half FIS.

Here's the Instruments information from VCDS-LITE

Thursday, 20 February 2014, 16:26:52.
VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.1
Control Module Part Number: 7M5 920 920 S
  Component and/or Version: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDO V61
           Software Coding: 13401
            Work Shop Code: WSC 00020
                      VCID: 42F7C90B5D81

No fault code found.


If it is the factory fitted SatNav then mine won't be compatible as the centre red section of the dash on yours should be the full height of the "rectangle" it is fitted in (Full-FIS).  I believe SAT-NAV instructions get echoed on there.  Mine is only half this height (Half-FIS) as I don't have SAT-NAV (should have read your earlier posts properly).

Has the dealer fitted a dash that is Half-FIS instead of Full-FIS?  I believe the install process should have taken a dump of the original dash and put it into the new dash to transfer mileage etc.

I think as insanitybeard said if the speedo was correct when they took the car I believe the onus is on them to fix it at their cost.  I would be asking them to do this and supply you with an equivalent (seven seater) loan car until they do, as they have now made the car incapable of passing it's MOT (illeagal speedometer if it's reading

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2013, 10:50:29 AM »
Like Silverbeast's Galaxy, my 2004 build date model is a 130PS Ghia with the Economy 6 transmission and 3.68 axle ratio, in the vehicle specific Ford ETIS printout lists mine as having a 'mid line instrument panel' which presumably is the half FIS type small display screen.

If you have the larger display type screen which works in conjunction with the sat-nav then that is certainly going to make it tricky to get an equivalent secondhand unit to the right spec.

I'm interested to know why your old instrument cluster has been sent back to Ford, your vehicle is (as it is 10 years old) obviously no longer covered by a Ford warranty, therefore the old unit would not need to be sent back for any warranty purposes, it is possible the units are exchange requiring return to Ford for remanufacture, I do not have experience with the Galaxy clusters but most other Ford models I recall did not have exchange clusters, therefore it surprises me that your old cluster had to be returned to Ford.

O.P, it may be worth you posting a picture of the cluster you currently have installed with your vehicle and also the sat-nav it has fitted to see if they are matched as they should be.
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2013, 06:19:26 PM »
For what it's worth, I've just been looking up a few parts for my Galaxy at the Ford dealer where I used to work and in all fairness, FINIS 1220553 does seem to be correct for your spec of vehicle- applicable to 130PS TDI, high level cluster, MPH/KMH speedo years 2003-06. It's not inconceivable that the new unit that was fitted to your vehicle was not correct to specification, it does happen, but that's all I can tell you.

Also, regarding what I said earlier, the units are also listed as exchange (i.e, new for old), which surprises me, possibly with the age of the vehicles the clusters are meant to fit Ford prefer to remanufacture them instead of produce a new batch, most of the options listed were exchange.
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2013, 06:56:14 PM »
Could it possibly be there's some precious metal or component that can be recycled.
Even old cat converters they want back.
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2013, 09:14:41 PM »
could well be chris,on ebay you can buy instructions on how to scrap computers as there are gold deposits in them,and cats iirc have platinum.
you dont ever see a poor scrap dealer do you. ::)
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2013, 10:32:02 PM »
Very true :) My local scrappy also won the lottery in 2004 (IIRC) about 5.5 million.... coz he needed it :D
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2013, 08:09:00 PM »
Again, a big thank you for all those helping me. In reply to SilverBeast, here's the Vehicle Summary for mine
Primary Features
Build Date:     Hidden
Vehicle Line:     Galaxy 2000-2006
Body Style:     5 Door Saloon
Version:     High Series
Engine:     Diesel 1.9TI (130PS)
Transmission:     Economy 6
Drive:     RHD FWD
Axle Ratio:     3.68
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Air Conditioning:     Automatic Air Conditioning
Territory:     (+)"GB"
Paint:     Solid Black
Interior Fabric:     Miniperf / Anthracite

I'm now strongly in the opinion the part number is incorrect, the second unit they tried was the same part number as they assumed it was a faulty unit. Sadly, as I have mentioned, they returned the old unit to Ford and have confirmed by email that they didn't make a note of the part number from it.
Most grateful to Drober42 for the offer of lending me a unit to try out but as much as I'm desperate to resolve it, I think the distance is too far as I'm in Dorset, very kind of you though.

in answer to many of you, the garage won't do anything about it, they are blaming the computer side of things although strangely, keep avoiding giving me a price to supply and fit it. they also confirmed verbally that the correct speed was showing in the computer, just different when it got to the speedo.

I looked at my car yesterday and thought to myself that it's a really nice car, more on it than most new ones and despite being 10, still seems modern, I love it, why the ruddy hell should I change it because a dealer has screwed it up?!!

I need desperately to prove they've done wrong and need to determine the correct cluster, I shall post a couple of photos on here in a moment as Insanitybeard has suggested.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2013, 08:17:23 PM »
in answer to many of you, the garage won't do anything about it, they are blaming the computer side of things although strangely, keep avoiding giving me a price to supply and fit it. they also confirmed verbally that the correct speed was showing in the computer, just different when it got to the speedo.

That in itself is proof there is nothing wrong with the ECU.  The instrument cluster reads the pulsed signal that the ECU puts out to the rest of the car (Known as the VSS Signal) which we now know is correct. Therefore the only thing that can be faulty is the instrument cluster, and again since they changed it for one that was working we know it must be the wrong one for the car. 100% there problem to rectify - take it back and scream and shout (preferably in the showroom as they REALLY don't like that :) )
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2013, 08:20:07 PM »
Here's a photo of the cluster

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2013, 08:20:58 PM »
and, for what it's worth a photo of the sat nav unit1832-0

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2013, 08:25:25 PM »
Thank you Mirez,

I think I need to prove it and then go back to them, I know it's going to cost me but I'll make sure I get it back, I agree with you, it's the wrong cluster even though it's the part number quoted on their system, I just need that one person who has the same car as me and can confirm the part number.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2013, 08:34:24 PM »
Yup. that's a factory fitted MFD1 nav unit and the Full FIS cluster.
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2013, 08:42:15 PM »
Confused now, could it still be the incorrect cluster? (Even though it's full size)? If that is the case, do you have any idea on how many clusters there could be for my car?

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2013, 09:14:43 PM »
From what insanitybeard said earlier installation may involve setting the axle ratio in the cluster.  This corresponds with the symptom of it not reading the same speed as the ECU is transmitting. It's only counting pulses and converting it to speed. If they have not done this then this would be the problem.

I believe that it is likely that the cluster (and the previous one) is probably OK, it just hasn't had the setup done properly by the dealer.

I assume it was a Ford dealer.  It will probably be worth going in and making a fuss as Mirez suggested, particularly if it is in a showroom full of customers it can be most effective.  Ask them if they have configured the Axle Ratio in the dash, and if they can double check it (free of charge of course).

It may be worth calling a dash repair specialist and explaining the situation.  They may have experience of this issue and be able to offer a possible cause.  You may be able to use this as ammunition when you talk to the dealer.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2013, 10:20:50 PM »
am i missing something here?
you paid 'ford' in good faith to carry out repairs to your car to get it running correctly.and they have failed miserably by the sounds of it.
then surely under the sale of goods act they have breached there contract with you??
and yet if im reading this right,they are basically saying to you theres nothing they can do to help you.think you need to consult your local trade and standards office and see what they have to say about all of this.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2013, 10:48:40 PM »
It is a Ford main dealer & I hear what you are saying about going there and making a fuss. I've already done that and they have (apparently) been in contact with the Ford Technical department who couldn't offer a solution - more than likely it was them who suggested I needed a replacement engine management system. This will make you laugh, the Ford dealer suggested I installed a road angel to watch my speed. What do you do when they have had your car 3 days and say "that's all that can be done"? This is why I need to rectify it and them claim my original money back and hopefully any further money spent. I'm even prepared to take it to small claims court but need to rectify it first.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2013, 11:16:21 PM »
Have you found out if you will pass your MOT with a faulty speedo.  It it's measuring speed incorrectly then I would expect it to record mileage incorrectly, which may be interpreted as "clocking".

There is a thread on cluster repairs here --> https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy/instrument-cluster-repair/msg4024/#msg4024

Maybe worth giving cartronix a call as they seem to have been recommended by a couple of members.  There site states that a faulty speedometer "may" fail an MOT

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2013, 11:28:20 PM »
Thank you, have saved their site as a bookmark & will contact them when they re-open after the Christmas period.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2013, 11:52:32 PM »
A faulty speedo will fail an mot but as its not a test item then its unlikely unless you specifically tell them or if its completely dead so shows no speed on the brake test (and they notice).

I'll see if I can get you a parts list for the cluster variations, is it just the FINIS code you have?
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2013, 12:23:42 AM »
Humm:

1836-0

What's curious is that they don't list separate parts for the manual and auto versions. Given that the VSS pulses are very different between the manual and auto, coupled with the fact the auto cluster would have the "P N R 1 2" display on it should mean there are variants for both. Since there aren't it would lead me to assume that a certain amount of coding should indeed have been preformed by them.

Another thing that strikes me as odd here is that your mileage appears correct? This would imply that the configuration was taken from the old cluster prior to the new one being fitted however since we don't know exactly how or what Ford's tool reads/writes on the clusters, do you have vag-com/vcds yet? I'd be curious to see what the soft coding is set to as I'm not aware that Ford have the ability to alter this with their machines and there is reference to the "K-Value" multiplier on the 4th Bit.
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2013, 12:49:35 AM »
How's the VSS signal being read by the other electronics of the car? For example turn the parking assist on and see if its still turning off automatically when you go above 15mph?
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2013, 01:31:05 PM »
Just wondering is it possible that the display has been programned to display kph instead of mph (dunno if its even possible but cant see alk the contimentak cars usung the lil kph inner ring on speedo)
But then it would be reading fast wouldnt it ?
Not changed wheels and tyres and got completely wrong sizes on?

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2013, 02:46:16 PM »
Another thought, have you tried the odometer /tripmeter over a known mile/5 mile trip or against another car
My thinking is if the trip meter is ok could it be as simple as a manufactuering defect sticky needle etc

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2013, 04:52:43 PM »
I'm sure the km setting was checked & it is set for mph. I have contacted Cartronix and they advised I go to a VW garage..contacted VW and they can't help & say it needs to be done by Ford. If there's anyone out there who are reasonably close to me (Weymouth, Dorset) and think they may be able to resolve this problem, I'll be happy to pay, it's all getting confusing and garages don't seem to be able to help.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2013, 06:36:59 PM »
Also, in reply to Mirez, the parking assist switches off when the speedo shows 15mph.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2013, 08:10:32 PM »
Looking back through this post, some people asked what other work I had done at the same time as the instrument cluster, here's a list:
- replacement instrument cluster F1220553 052076)
- Cambelt replaced
- Air-con recharge
- 4 wheel alignment
- outside Temperature sensor replaced (as was stuck on 75 degrees)
- new front brake discs & pads
- replaced o/s inner driveshaft & gear box stub (+ seal/spring/washer/retain ring/snap ring/boot)
- replacement heater control panel (supplied a 2nd hand one which turns on most times the engine is started, couldn't be rectified in engine management )
- Replacement rear brake pads (052069/kit - caliper)
- major service

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2013, 02:10:42 AM »
Please could someone point me in the right direction for obtaining both the VAG-TACHO lead &  VCDS-LITE lead? I've looked on ebay but to be honest , not sure what I'm looking for. Will be most grateful, I so want to get this resolved.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2013, 11:35:47 AM »
If the PDC turns off when the speedo says 15 then the gauge is showing the correct speed. Since we know the ecu is also reading the correct speed then it can only be an interpretation issue, ie the cluster isnt coded correctly.

I'm close enough to you and happy to take a look with VCDS if you would like. One thing I would point put though is that you have paid Ford (probably an extortionate amount) to replace this. If you start messing with vag-tacho then they'll almost certainly use this as a way out.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2013, 12:27:03 PM »
Mirez, that's great! can we arrange something through a private message please?

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2013, 03:44:43 PM »
Yeah no worries, let me PM you in a couple of days as it's possible I'll be in Lyme Regis towards the end of the week which I guess would be a lot easier for you?
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2013, 09:36:44 AM »
That will be great, thank you.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2013, 10:04:57 AM »
Just a thought, what about if I were to get a second hand one (if I can) and see if that one can be configured? if so, and the milage can be changed to match my milage, I could take the existing unit back to the garage and demand a refund?!!

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2013, 11:22:35 AM »
I still think you should do that now but yes, although I would aim for a Sharan cluster as a full fis Ford one is uber rare.
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2013, 03:43:52 PM »
problem is, all the people I have messaged are asking for a part number, the code I have (1220553) doesn't seem to help.

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2013, 04:08:49 PM »
1220553 is a Ford FINIS code used to order parts, if you are talking to people about a second hand cluster you want the manufacturing number that'll be on the cluster (YM21-10849-AVE) and if you are talking to VW people about it then you need the VAG number which will be something like 7M0-xxx-xxx
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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2013, 04:21:01 PM »
thank you, another thought was to remove the existing cluster to get the numbers off it, if that's a good idea, can you tell me how please?!

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Re: Incorrect Speedo on Ford Galaxy Ghia 1.9 TDI
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2013, 04:23:50 PM »
or, is the number you quoted (YM21-10849-AVE) all I need?

 

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