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Author Topic: Interior lights  (Read 17859 times)

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Interior lights
« on: November 25, 2013, 04:33:21 PM »
My interior lights stay on all the time the one in the front and the luggage area lights when I have the ignition turned on and press the buttons on the door pillars the lights go dim as though to go out but there seems to be something keeping them on I've tried all buttons on the door pillars when pressed the lights just go dim I've even closed the hatch back and they go dim I've checked the wiring in all the door gators which are all fine I've repaired the wiring in the gator on the hatchback also with ignition off when I close all doors ther stay bright then after a minute or so there is a click in by the fuse box and the lights go dim but once I open a door they go bright again for a minute all central locking works ok and windows

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2013, 04:42:56 PM »
Double, Triple and Quadruple check the wiring in the doors and tailgate as what you describe it a classic electrical short. The brightness is because they are using the correct 12V and Ground, then the dimming is when it should be turning off, because its shorted its using the 12V and/or ground of another circuit to power it - that's why its dimmer.
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2013, 06:02:33 PM »
Double, Triple and Quadruple check the wiring in the doors and tailgate as what you describe it a classic electrical short. The brightness is because they are using the correct 12V and Ground, then the dimming is when it should be turning off, because its shorted its using the 12V and/or ground of another circuit to power it - that's why its dimmer.
Already repaired wiring in tailgate even had the plugs out and the gators pushed tight back are any of these wires prone to breaking inside the doors at all

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2013, 07:52:21 PM »
could they be shorting out on any of the door switches?
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2013, 10:24:10 PM »
could they be shorting out on any of the door switches?
I think that's my next try although when I press them in the lights go dim so would that suggest the switches are working ok

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2013, 10:26:40 PM »
To me, yes. I maintain I think its wiring in the door gaitors
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2013, 10:40:15 PM »
To me, yes. I maintain I think its wiring in the door gaitors
I've noticed that the electrics to the tow bar go in to the passenger side trim by the back lights the wires from the tow bar are joined to the car wiring with those blue quick snap connectors if the wiring has been damaged in this part would that be the cause

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2013, 10:43:17 PM »
Unlikely tbh, there shouldn't be any reason why the towbar is connected to the interior light circuit.

When you lock the car, do the lights go off after 10/15 mins?

If you are adement the wirings good in the doors then next stage would be to start pulling fuses to see what circuit is ppowering them
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 08:52:19 AM »
Unlikely tbh, there shouldn't be any reason why the towbar is connected to the interior light circuit.

When you lock the car, do the lights go off after 10/15 mins?

If you are adement the wirings good in the doors then next stage would be to start pulling fuses to see what circuit is ppowering them
The lights do not go off at allif ignition is off keys out when I close all doors after a minute or so there is a click in the fuse box then the lights go dim I can turn the front one off with the switch next to it but luggage compartment ones stay on

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 12:26:36 PM »
Ok so generally speaking interior lights are ground circuits - you normally have power 12V there all the time and its the ground that is switched on/off by the door switch. What your describing still has the classic symptoms of a short circuit, when the lights go dim its because the proper circuit has been turned off.

My reasoning for asking about the 10/15 minute thing is that the CCM (which supplies the 12V) should turn off the supply to nearly all cabin electrics after that time. If the lights truly never turn off then you have a 12V short circuit. If they do turn off then you possibly have a ground short. The fact they go dimmer would suggest a load is being driven by the circuit (in series) so...

Physically remove the door entry switches (4) (use tape to stop the connector disappearing back into the pillar though!) and see if that makes a difference. The switches have a second ground through the instrument cluster which could be the load I mentioned earlier, removing them will, in theory, eliminate the second ground from the equation (assuming its not shorted after the switch!)
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2013, 04:57:57 PM »
Ok so generally speaking interior lights are ground circuits - you normally have power 12V there all the time and its the ground that is switched on/off by the door switch. What your describing still has the classic symptoms of a short circuit, when the lights go dim its because the proper circuit has been turned off.

My reasoning for asking about the 10/15 minute thing is that the CCM (which supplies the 12V) should turn off the supply to nearly all cabin electrics after that time. If the lights truly never turn off then you have a 12V short circuit. If they do turn off then you possibly have a ground short. The fact they go dimmer would suggest a load is being driven by the circuit (in series) so...

Physically remove the door entry switches (4) (use tape to stop the connector disappearing back into the pillar though!) and see if that makes a difference. The switches have a second ground through the instrument cluster which could be the load I mentioned earlier, removing them will, in theory, eliminate the second ground from the equation (assuming its not shorted after the switch!)
Pulled the switches out but they are plastic I've even pulled them off the plugs I've took the plugs off from drivers door and pillar and checked the wiring in the gator there were just two wires with a cut in the insulation so taped them up other wires are fine while this plug was off I pressed the switch interior light just went dim I repeated this process with drivers side back door wires ok switch pressed lights just went dimi will try the passenger side tomorrow

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2013, 05:32:16 PM »
Hi there
Just been reading your first post where you spoke about this with the lights, is this something thats started occuring or have you just bought the car with this fault
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2013, 07:43:56 PM »
Hi there
Just been reading your first post where you spoke about this with the lights, is this something thats started occuring or have you just bought the car with this fault
The first post I put about this I had not long had the car after doing a couple of jobs on it I set the switch by the front interior light and it would not go off I replaced the luggage compartment lights and they also would not go off upon checking the wiring the tailgate gator wiring was broken and wires must have been touching this has now been repaired but lights remain on when the car is running the lights go dim as each door is closed and when each door is opened they go bright showing to me that the switches are working

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2013, 08:30:52 PM »
Sorry for the interrogation.

So was there any problem with the lights when you first got the car.

Your last post to me reads that the problem started after you done a few jobs and set the interior light switch.

Just trying to determine if it's something you may have caused.

What other jobs have you done to the car.
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2013, 11:11:45 PM »
Sorry for the interrogation.

So was there any problem with the lights when you first got the car.

Your last post to me reads that the problem started after you done a few jobs and set the interior light switch.

Just trying to determine if it's something you may have caused.

What other jobs have you done to the car.
Yes the problem was there when I got the car it's just that it never crossed my mind to check the interior lights then I was thinking about it as my merc when I got in or out of that the interior light would come on then go off after a minute so I checked the galaxy then and found that it had this fault at the time the luggage compartment lights were missing so I went the scrapyard and got two and tried them but they remained on all the time but everything else is ok on the electrical side windows mirrors headlights back lights everything apart from the interior lights and reversing sensors

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2013, 12:51:43 AM »
Been looking at the wiring diagram and noticed there's two contacts in each passenger door, looks to me like a supply, a switched earth and a permanent earth.
Thinking a switch may be shorted internally have you tried removing and unplugging all switches, dont forget you will have to wait for the delay time to see if they go off
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2013, 08:21:52 AM »
i know this sound stupid but check you have closed the boot properly as this happens on mine if the boot is not closed all the way

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2013, 10:14:45 AM »
i know this sound stupid but check you have closed the boot properly as this happens on mine if the boot is not closed all the way
Yes I've made sure the tailgate is closed it sometimes doesn't so I always make sure and when it does the lights go dim if the ignition is on but if ignition is off they take a minute or so before they go dim

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2013, 11:01:19 PM »
You said you fitted compartment lights as there were none fitted when you got it. 
(i) Was the problem there before you fitted these?
(ii) Have you tried disconnecting them again to see if that fixes it?

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2013, 10:55:19 PM »
You said you fitted compartment lights as there were none fitted when you got it. 
(i) Was the problem there before you fitted these?
(ii) Have you tried disconnecting them again to see if that fixes it?
Yes the problem was there before I had the car the lights from the luggage compartment area were unplugged they were in the lift up flap at the side of the back seats but I got two from the scrapyard as I didn't know there was a lift up flap at the side of the back seats I've only just found out that the front doors have got pull out drawers in I just keep on finding these hiding places I also noticed that the grab handle things above each door there is a little interior light by each of these I tried them last night and they are working ok it's just the two by the tailgate and the one in the front that don't go off as they should there is just two door switches I've got to try this weekend to see if they may be faulty

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2013, 06:13:49 PM »
Update on this I have unplugged all door buttons no change interior lights stay on next I unplugged all plugs from doors to pillars no change I then decided to look in the battery junction box upon removing the fuses the violet fuse made them go off so can anybody help me with where I should be looking

Also if anybody can help with this question
The return pipe that goes to the expansion tank so far back on this pipe there is a t piece I would like to know where the pipe going down and round the back of the engine goes to if anybody knows

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2013, 09:54:39 PM »
That's all the easy stuff done then :-\
Problem being is it a fault the cars developed or has a previous owner been trying out his wiring skills.
May be worth checking out that towbar wiring connections, there are several multiplugs adjacent to the rear lights unplugging these this will isolate the tailgate and towbar.
Is there anything else extra thats been wired in.
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2013, 10:20:00 PM »
That's all the easy stuff done then :-\
Problem being is it a fault the cars developed or has a previous owner been trying out his wiring skills.
May be worth checking out that towbar wiring connections, there are several multiplugs adjacent to the rear lights unplugging these this will isolate the tailgate and towbar.
Is there anything else extra thats been wired in.
No just the tow bar as far as I can see the wires have been joined with the blue quick snap connectors I have cut the wires leading to the tow bar socket as the electrical socket was hanging down and was full of water but I have left the blue connectors on with a bit of the wiring just so I know where I cut them from ready for when I get around to fixing the electrical socket the reversing sensors are not working at the moment but that's not an issue to me yet untill the interior lights are done
Also not forgetting if anybody can tell me where that pipe leads to a quick recap of it the return pipe on the expansion tank so far back there is a t piece with a pipe that goes down and round the back of the engine what does it go on to and what's it's purpose

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2013, 11:57:17 PM »
The pipe on the top of the bottle returns a small quantity of coolant back to the bottle from the cylinder head and the top radiator  hose, there is a plastic restrictor fitted inside to control the flow of any aeration in the coolant. 
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2013, 12:13:36 AM »
The pipe on the top of the bottle returns a small quantity of coolant back to the bottle from the cylinder head and the top radiator  hose, there is a plastic restrictor fitted inside to control the flow of any aeration in the coolant.
Yes it's that return hose halfway along it there is a t piece join with a pipe going downward then around to the back of the engine where at the back of the engine is it joined to as when I take the downward pipe off from this t piece joint nothing comes out of this pipe that disappears round the back of the engine even when the car is running is this normal or should there be a flow of water out of it

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2013, 12:34:50 AM »
sounds like it's blocked then
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2013, 10:40:20 AM »
sounds like it's blocked then
That's my thoughts as I don't think a hose would be put on if it wasn't meant to be doing anything as when I pull this hose off the t piece water flows out of the t piece fitting when engine is running so I can hold my finger over the t piece to stop the water running out but the hose that goes down and round the back of the engine nothing comes out of this

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2013, 06:04:13 PM »
Checked the hose today took everything apart it was the metal pipe sticking out the side of the cylinder head that was blocked all cleaned out now as for the tow bar wires nothing looks out of place all wires are still intact so could this problem with the interior lights staying on be down to the multifunction modules going bad

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2014, 06:33:31 PM »
Update on my interior lights after looking at different things for weeks and trying everything sugested on this site all wires in the door gators were fine and all I repaired was the wires in the tailgate gator but this did not fix it but today as I was sat in the back of my car on the middle row of seats messing with the sunroof I noticed an interior light in the middle of the roof just at the back of the seat why all this time I've been oblivious to this interior light as its inbetween the sunroofs so I pulled the light out of the roof and undid the plug off it and pulled all the wire through to near the passenger back door this part of the loom had already had a repair it was all taped up with insulation tape but it was all guey and sticky so I assume the tape wasn't doing its job anymore but after cleaning it off and retaping it it now works ok all interior lights come on and go off as normal now

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2014, 07:45:11 PM »
It should still have turned them off at 15 minutes though, you might have another fault elsewhere but at least the main problem is fixed - good work!

When you say sunroofs? Is that a type or have you actually got two sunroofs?
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2014, 09:21:46 PM »
It should still have turned them off at 15 minutes though, you might have another fault elsewhere but at least the main problem is fixed - good work!

When you say sunroofs? Is that a type or have you actually got two sunroofs?
No they are working perfect now when I set the switches the interior lights come on when I open the doors and go off a few minutes after as normal before they stayed on all the time as read in my previous posts so I reckon with heat in the car the insulation tape must of been getting warm making the sticky stuff on it run a bit which in turn has caused each wire to conduct because when I pulled this bit of loom out all the tape on it was sticky as though the glue stuff had run everywhere but all is fine now so just incase anyone else has this problem with interior lights staying on when door gators have been checked this bit of loom must be the next common place to look

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2014, 12:18:04 PM »
Also when I say about the sunroofs my car has three sunroofs one for each row of seats the interior light I'm on about is inbetween the middle and the back sunroof and the wiring loom to the light pulls out near to where the roof controls are for the rear heater

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2014, 12:59:54 PM »
Hi Burtie

Any chance of some pics of your sun roofs, (inside and out) not seen one like that.
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2014, 01:47:16 PM »
Hi Burtie

Any chance of some pics of your sun roofs, (inside and out) not seen one like that.
Can't seam to get outside one yet but ill put one on if you want it stil

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2014, 04:32:23 PM »
Can't seam to get outside one yet but ill put one on if you want it stil
Also managed to get a picture of the outside of the sunroofs

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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2014, 04:57:14 PM »
 :o That 3 sunroof configuration must be something of a rarity, I can't see it even listed as an option in the Ford sales brochure! Are they all opened manually?
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Re: Interior lights
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2014, 05:08:26 PM »
:o That 3 sunroof configuration must be something of a rarity, I can't see it even listed as an option in the Ford sales brochure! Are they all opened manually?
Yes they all have winding handles on also all sunroofs have little blinds on that pull across there is two blinds on each sunroof

 

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