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loss of power
« on: September 21, 2014, 08:40:16 PM »
Hey I'm a newbie and a useless woman so please be nice :)
Have a hemel of a ford galaxy :/ I hate it but needs must. Its just cost a mini fortune to pass mot and still has a few problems.
Havent used it for 2 days then today it took ages to start then on driving I realised something seriously a miss....when accelerating got my foot to the floor just barely nothing.....cant get over 30/40mph....then all of a sudden it goes back to normal but almost immediately nothing again...seems to die at 2500rpm??  Now it alao has a problem when you accelerate it doea go into limp mode and a quick flick on off withthe key sorts that out..( its been on diagnostic for this and has a split in the tuebo rubber pipe) however 85quid from ford and seemingly unavailable anywhere else has seen me having to save to get it but now this...... ::( can anyone please hwlp or am I gonna be stranded with 5 kids. ... thanks

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2014, 09:53:01 PM »
Welcome!

The split turbo boost pipe will certainly cause some of the problems you describe, depending on how bad it is it may also cause the engine to go into limp mode, though it'll need one of the other guys to clarify that. If you knew which pipe was busted it may be possible to find a secondhand one or a cheaper alternative elsewhere.

Basically with the leakage of air 'charge' (pressure produced by the turbo) from the damaged pipe to atmosphere (the open air), the engine isn't getting the volume of air it should be, so to protect the engine the engine management may restrict the performance (by putting it into limp mode). The reduction of air 'charge' into the engine means it can't perform properly as the fueling is screwed up, so it will feel flat, even without an engine management induced limp mode.
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Re: loss of power
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2014, 10:24:33 PM »
Thanks  I know what the pipe looks like as I asked to look at it in the hope of finding a cheaper than fraud..sorry ford version....its skinnier at one end fatter at the other and is sort of L shaped...from my many googles I've found out its the pipe from the turbo to the intercooler has no other pipes leading off its just 2 ended...found one on ebay but its listed 4 a diff car but looks the exact same I dont know if  I can paste a link??

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2014, 10:29:00 PM »
Ive tried to add a picture hopefully it works ...the pipe looks exactly like that one but this is for a diff model ford :/???

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2014, 11:01:17 PM »
It will be easier if you can take a picture of it in the car. 

Looking from the front is it at the left hand side down at the bottom of the engine. This is a picture of mine taken from above looking down leaning over the drivers wing.
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It's the pipe joining to the silver one with the jubilee clip on it.  I know there are different types of these as some seem to have a different fitting on the end I pictured.  There are pictures in here https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy/boost-hose-from-egr-to-intercooler/ that is I believe talking about the same hose.  The title is wrong as it doesn't go to the EGR.

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2014, 07:37:50 AM »
Thanks for your reply but I dont think the pipe im on abt can be seen from above only seen from underneath or if the cars jacked up from through the drivers wheel arch kinda? Sorry im a useless woman lol

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2014, 08:56:33 AM »
On this parts diagram (this is for a 90 or 115 horsepower TDI which I imagine yours will be on an X reg), the turbo to intercooler boost pipe is made up of the pipes on the left hand side of the diagram, number 7 is 'L' shaped and fits to the turbo, number 11 not so 'L' shaped as the other one, it fits to the intercooler.
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Re: loss of power
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2014, 08:59:04 AM »
That's the one I've pictured.  The photo is looking down the side of the engine past the belt that drives the, alternator, power steering and air-conditioning pumps.  You can see the ground behind the pipes as I had the undertray off at the time.
The link to the other thread is talking about the same hose.  If you scroll down to the photo with the red jack under the engine the hose with the X on it in the photo is the one I think you are talking about. That one has a jubilee clip on it like mine too.  The small picture above it shows a different version of the same hose that doesn't use the jubilee clip.  You need to know which version you have.  You may be able to get the hose cheaper from VW (as they built the Galaxy and it is a VW engine) but will need the VW (not Ford) part number.  Some of the senior members on the Forum will probably be able to work out the VW Part No.  The link in the second post of the above linked thread shows the Ford diagram.  I believe we are talking about hose 3 in that diagram. Hose 2 is the silver metal pipe.

Do you know which power output your engine has?  The Variant on your registration document will allow us to work it out.  ie mine's an ASZ1 which means 130BHP.  Most are 90 or 115BHP. Some are 150BHP  ???

BTW. I very much doubt you are a "useless woman".  There wouldn't be any of us men without women, and considerably fewer men would reach (relative) maturity without women too! [HAHA]

insanitybeard answered while I was typing and linked to the same diagram.  Someone will be able to link to a VW version too I'm sure!

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2014, 09:02:19 AM »
Yes its number 7 on that diagram....and its the 115 bhp....just limped the 8 miles to school and back :( with a million ppl up my arse thinking im driving lyk old ppl boooo ford galaxy

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2014, 09:13:48 AM »
Did the garage give you a part number for the hose? Someone may be able to translate it into a VW part no.  You may be able to take a picture with a digital camera/phone like I did to identify the correct "end" on your hose.  At least one end has a special fitting on the end, possibly both, which is what bumps the cost up.

The good thing is it is fairly easy to change if you have any mechanical aptitude.  It's probably more of a pain getting the undertray off and on again and even that's not too bad!

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2014, 09:43:57 AM »
The VW parts diagram is a bit more confusing, the 115 hp TDI is engine code AUY which this diagram is for but the layout looks a bit different to the Ford diagram, if you are able to get the old hose off sometimes they will have (if still visible) VW's 7MXXXXXX part number visible on them. That VW diagram looks too dissimilar to the Ford one for me to be confident to say that it's item 'X' that you need.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2014, 09:53:39 AM by insanitybeard »
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Re: loss of power
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2014, 09:46:15 AM »
No he was a mate that ran diagnostic before this total loss of power...he identified the buggered hose and told me to scrap yard find or ebay to keep cost down. I no that its fatter at one end and thinner at the other...its absolutely identical to the pic I posted on ebay however thats listed for a mondeo I think

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2014, 12:41:37 PM »
Can't see any on ebay but this is the same as mine.

http://www.turbohortum.com/alhambra-turbo-hose-7m3145838f.html#.VCACn5RdWSo
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Re: loss of power
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2014, 01:30:32 PM »
 :o  Bargain! That's a cheap fix! (even with the postage!)
« Last Edit: September 22, 2014, 01:31:24 PM by insanitybeard »
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Re: loss of power
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2014, 02:40:12 PM »
Heres an update ppl and not a happy one :(( got a replacement turbo pipe and its still the same no fudging power wats next plz

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2014, 03:50:41 PM »
If you had diagnostic check at a garage I would suggest you get your own interface lead so you can check your own fault codes.
See here for more info

https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-reference-library/ford-galaxy-software-solutions-(vag-com-vcds-vagtacho)/

https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-reference-library/galaxy-tdi-using-vcdsvag-com-to-diagnose-faults/

Leads like the one below are available on ebay just make sure it will work with your operating system EG. XP win7
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAG-GROUP-USB-COM-PORT-OBD2-II-KKL-ECU-DIAGNOSTIC-CABLE-LEAD-WORK-VCDS-LITE-409-/271036790042?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item3f1b0d351a
You don't need to register the software to do most DIY stuff.

Once you can read off the fault code numbers will help us diagnosing your problem
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Re: loss of power
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2014, 01:16:59 PM »
Right its now been on diagnostic. .showed the dikky turbo pipe which is replaced and then it said fauly e c t sensor got one fitted codes wiped away down the road and still no change back to garage diagnostic again and not one bloody code...according to the car computer theres nothing wrong!!! But its still goosed...nee power :/ grrrr any1 got a lighter!!!!  Garage mate suggested maf change and fuel filter out in a bucket in case injector seals have gone.....?? Any1 else suggest any thing

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2014, 02:43:08 PM »
Did you see them actually checking your diagnostics?
No system can diagnose a split pipe only a loss of boost  pressure and as for faulty temp sensor why didn't they see that the first time.
If you  don't feel you could do the vcds diagnostics yourself by getting a lead from ebay (under a tenner) then get a second opinion from a garage that specialises in VW tdi engines as by what you have said your first garage doesn't have a clue.
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Re: loss of power
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2014, 03:34:27 PM »
The first garage that said the pipe was split diagnosed a boost issue. New pipe on after that took it to another garage friend of mine and it came up with the boost thing which it will do only replaced the pipe yesterday...he wiped it ran the car came back and it said e c t sensor...yes I did see him actually doing it so the e c t changed ran it...no diff at all went back and no fault codes logged at all. Called a local vw specialist who said they cant look at it cos its a ford although a vw engine :( ive put it up 4sale or swap cos ive had enuf of it and dont no where to turn...:( im stuck

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2014, 03:58:43 PM »
So No codes now then next stage would be to collect some live data while driving the car, faulty MAF's don't always leave a code but can be seen in a log file as well as the turbo, & EGR valve.
A common problem is turbo vanes sticking but without any data am only guessing.
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Re: loss of power
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2014, 05:34:37 PM »
Had another go fault code 16485 air mass incorrect function
fault 17965 boost pressure intake pipe pressure too much
disconnected maf test drive no change??

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2014, 10:13:07 PM »
My first bit of advice would be to take the advice of the lads a few posts back and get yourself a lead so that you can do diagnostics yourself. 

Although it shouldn't be the case different people can do things differently and getting diagnostics read by different garages (possibly with different diagnostic equipment with different compatibilities) between fixes is not going to give you reliable results.  Especially if the guys know they are not going to get the work.

One huge common misconception is that fault codes tell you the faulty part, in fact they describe the symptoms that are being displayed giving the operator clues as to where to look.

If you disconnect the MAF and no degradation of power is observed, that would suggest a faulty MAF sensor, assuming its not already in limp mode.

One other consideration, NEVER forget that you may be dealing with more than one fault which can give conflicting information when trying to identify a faulty component.

My advice would be don't give up and pass it on yet, it may be a simple fix, get a reader as suggested and read the codes yourself, then take one step at a time and post up the result for help.

Good luck

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Re: loss of power
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2014, 07:03:44 PM »
"One huge common misconception is that fault codes tell you the faulty part, in fact they describe the symptoms that are being displayed giving the operator clues as to where to look"

"One other consideration, NEVER forget that you may be dealing with more than one fault which can give conflicting information when trying to identify a faulty component."

Sound advice that man!
« Last Edit: September 26, 2014, 07:04:38 PM by insanitybeard »
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