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Author Topic: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.  (Read 564 times)

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Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« on: December 31, 2018, 02:09:49 PM »
Hi all....
Wow not been on here for a wee while, so please forgive me for any mistakes..... [OUCH]
Just the day wife said can hear a knocking noise from front of car? So on looking and bouncing car up and down, knocking seemed to be low down. So on inspection, noticed drop link was perished, along with lower ball joint, so thought no brainier and replace them both. Test drive knocking still there. Damn!!
So rechecking everything, over and over again.....? Thought I'd check the top mount bearing. To my shock my top mount bearing had failed! Bearing in mind, I only replaced them, the year before, along with new shocks and top mount bushes and new top cups.
I had a spare bearing and decided to go to town and replace it again.
This time cos bearing had failed, I used Spring compressors, up inside, dropped out top part of drop link and slowly in did top cup nut, while tightening Spring compressors, this allows you to drop the leg enough, to reach the top bearing, without the need to remove all the bottom end bits and pieces.
Anyway did the bearing change, double checked, triple checked everything was seated correctly, rubber mount back on, slowly undid Spring compressors and pushed it all back in, top cup back on, drop link back on, check everything over and over, test drive and all ok!
3 days later BANG! top bearing has failed again......
Has anyone else experienced this?? 1st bearing change, was over 14-16 months ago, before failing and then failing again within 3 days of changing....... Febi brand bearings.... :( :( :(
Hopefully pics of Spring compressors in place, making it doable, without removing leg, pic of failed bearing and new along side new bearing, which has also failed.

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Re: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2018, 02:13:09 PM »
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Re: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2018, 02:15:43 PM »
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Re: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2018, 10:17:42 PM »
It looks like it's punched the centre out of the bearing, that takes a bit of doing. Either something has come loose and it's been caused by impact, or something has been trapped on reassembly.

Can I ask, why would you need to tighten the spring compressors while removing the top cup?  There should be a second thinner nut below the top cup which secures the bearing and top spring seat to the shock absorber shaft. it also acts as a spacer for the assembly, making sure there is sufficient vertical free play.

I had a different problem with the Febi top bearing kits, the rubber bushes collapsed after a few months and I had to replace them. The bearing lasted the rest of the life of the car.

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Re: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2019, 09:49:19 AM »
That bearings been punched out which theoretically, can't happen. First guess would be it's been incorrectly assembled and is missing the lower nut or, that nuts not been tightened up.
If that's not the case then the other likely suspect is the top mount itself, there should be a washer built unto the mount that the bearing rests against, if that's missing or badly aligned (cheap o eBay ones) then it would place all the load on the bearings inner race instead.
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Re: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2019, 10:28:48 AM »
Hi guys, thanks for replies and happy new year.......

I use Spring compressors, because the top bearing was punched out, I was worried that the top Spring plate, would slip past the nut and what was left of the bearing..... So kinda playing caution.
As said I replaced both shocks some 14-16 months ago, both were done off the car, obviously... And put back together, with bearings and top mount rubbers from eBay! Off side failed some 3 months after doing it, so got a couple of febi ones, but only replaced off side at the time, cos near side only failed about 10 days ago. Cos I had the other febi one, I replaced and 3 days later that failed.
My mechanic mate reckons on the 1st one I hadn't locked it down to shock properly, but I blew that theory out, cos I took the complete leg to him and showed him, with Spring compressors on, top Spring plate was low enough to see bearing hard down on shock and nut on top, with the same thing, bearing seperation. Hence why I use Spring compressors to keep Spring tension off that nut and washer in effect just washer part of bearing. That's what all was holding top Spring plate back! Worried gonna suddenly go!
I've just found on eBay........ New old stock of bearings, picture clearly shows that the bearing hole, the material looks thicker, so I've ordered these now and hopefully, putting this down to cheap manufacturing job!
The only thing I will ask is, did all this as they came off....
So I had new shock leg, Spring, top Spring cup, then top mount bearing, which sits on to flat part of shock, after thread, castellated side down to Spring plate, then nut, locked down. Spring plate level, release Spring compressors, top mount rubber, can only go one way really.... In place, then top cup and nut top side once in. I put the nut down until it stopped, or wouldn't go anymore. Had about half inch of thread showing top side.
Have I missed something here???
I'm hopping it's just poor quality bearings, as driver side febi one is still going after change.
KR. Neil.

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Re: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2019, 10:52:25 AM »
Hmmmmm...... Just re read one of your threads....
Going on top mount bush rubber...... Just thinking, when I got the febi bearings, off a mate who's manager of motor factors, he supplied me both rubber and bearing, I replaced both, off side with new.
But when I did near side, I couldn't find new rubber, so used the old new one, when I did it the 1st time! Hmmm although the rubber mount looked ok? I'm now wondering if this has anything to do with it......
Damn but that looked ok.
As is one of those nasty jobs, might grab a new top mount rubber and fingers X.

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Re: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2019, 09:20:18 AM »
The usual failure of the top rubbers is when they collapse, causing the the top mount, the inverted top hat you see in the engine bay, to protrude excessively. That should not damage the bearings, once that happens the top spring seat fouls the bottom of the rubber, preventing any damage to the bearing - but causing the steering to become stiff with squeaky noises.

Re-using the old rubber shouldn't have been a problem if it looked okay, it's quite obvious when they suffer failure or are damaged. I guess it's possible that the bearing pressings were faulty, but I've never had one fail like that. It appears to be a really clean, flat washer that's been punched out, not chewed or domed. Very odd!

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Re: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2019, 10:03:30 PM »
Hi all....
Right I've ordered a couple of sets of bearings...
I'm going to take pics of all the new, to do a comparison. I've ordered cheap and expensive upper end bearings and I will show you the difference, from make to make!
Also take pics on how I do the change over, as said, it can be done without removing the suspension leg!
If all the parts come before this weekend, I'll post ASAP.

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Re: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2019, 05:46:51 PM »
Right I've ordered a couple of sets of bearings...
I'm going to take pics of all the new, to do a comparison. I've ordered cheap and expensive upper end bearings and I will show you the difference, from make to make!

In theory, they are pattern parts and any critical dimensions will be the same, but it will be interesting to see if there are any significant differences. FWIW, if anyone is on the lookout for suspension bushes and the like, I would recommended Lemförder - they are a little more expensive, but the components are good quality and often from OEM manufacturers.

Also take pics on how I do the change over, as said, it can be done without removing the suspension leg!

That is indeed correct, with the use of spring compressors. The only thing you have to make sure that the top spring seat is completely over the widest part of the shock absorber shaft, and that it doesn't get caught up under the bearing as you tighten it down. It's easy enough on the bench, but up in the suspension turret, it can be fiddly and not so easy to see.

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Re: Mk1 ford Galaxy top mount bearing failer x2.
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2019, 06:11:51 PM »
Just something else to consider....

The centre part of the bearing does not actually support the weight of the car - that is borne by the outer radius part which sits in the rubber bush, with the inner race sitting on the spring seat. The centre nut is only securing the shock absorber and the top retaining mount (top hat) to the bearing, and that is the part punched out on your bearing. The only possible causes I can imagine would be a faulty shock absorber, something loose, or something incorrectly assembled.

Out of interest, before the failure, can you remember if you had the correct gap between the suspension turret and the rubber bumper on the top mount? There should be approx. 1/4" - 3/8" gap.

 

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