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Author Topic: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo  (Read 11553 times)

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Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« on: June 22, 2013, 11:11:50 AM »
Had the car a weeks, done first inspection today to look for a suspected broken roll restrictor, turns out it;s all brand new, so going ahead and doing drop link to discount funny knocking sound.

Anyway, I've found some leaks that I'm worried about that have been bodged. It's leaking oil. What should be here? Is there something missing?

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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2013, 11:13:00 AM »
I've also taken a picture of the turbo area and it's messy :( does this look bad?

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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2013, 12:01:25 PM »
OMG that is messy!

What you need to confirm is the oil running down onto the turbo from above? there is a hose from the cam cover to the air inlet tube, make sure this is connected and not split or pulled apart as this will leak/spray droplets of oil all down the back of the engine.

The lower picture with the cable ties needs removing to see extent of what happened there.

The turbo air charge pipes will have a small amount of oil present on the inside this is normal but excessive oil could be down to crankcase oil/fumes or turbo seals.
Is there loss of power and smoke from exhaust?
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2013, 12:10:43 PM »
Hi thanks, still doing droplnks.... got it flat but still seems under stress.

No smoke. I checked this when I bought it. No loss of power either, it's the only Galaxy I've owned but seems to have power. Once I've got the links on I'll have a look.

What should be in the zip strapped section?
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2013, 01:04:56 PM »
There should be a metal tube section clamped to the sump and rubber hoses either end usually the spring ring type clip is fitted but jubilee type can be used.
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2013, 01:43:51 PM »
So do I need to drain the oil, get the pipe off and buy a clip? Maybe they broke the clip and bodged it? Could there be anything else wrong in there?
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2013, 02:52:31 PM »
You don't need to drain the oil.
It may just be a clip missing but until you remove all them ties can't tell
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2013, 05:54:07 PM »
The mess in the second shot looks like it may be the grease from a split boot on the inner end of the driveshaft. Could be there from before a previous repair. It does look the driveshaft at the front of the shot

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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2013, 07:46:20 PM »
As SB, that looks very much like CV Grease mixed with some oil. The normal suggestion is to clean everything up and re-evaluate in a few days. You'll be able to see exactly what's leaking and from where then.

The first photo is a little awkward to work out - is it the right way up? If it is then that's the turbo outlet pipe and run's into the intercooler - normally the rubber is clamped on to the outside of that pipe and not on the inside which is a little weird. I'm amazed that's not leaking enough to flag an under-boost error!
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2013, 10:06:13 PM »
Thanks. Yes I've cleaned everything up and will see how it looks next week when I tackle this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-GALAXY-1-9-TDi-INNER-DRIVESHAFT-INTERMEDIATE-DRIVESHAFT-OFF-SIDE-/140962287754?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20d201d08a

It was definitley a mixture of grease and oil. The grease is everywhere.

The first picture is me lying in the centre of the car looking outwards to the offside. I'm pretty sure it is the turbo outlet pipe. Firstly is it normal for this to be leaking oil? And why on earth have the done that to it if it's supposed to go on the outside? Do I just need one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-GALAXY-SEAT-ALHAMBRA-VW-SHARAN-1-8-1-9-TDI-INTERCOOLER-PIPE-7M3145828-/190855253110?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c6fdc0c76?

No fault codes on the engine ecu. Just one about an immobiliser fault.Which I've cleared and don't think it's returned.

I followed your guide on recording a reading for turbo boost using the measuring blocks. If anyone has time, it would be  great to get an opinion on the file attached.
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2013, 12:11:31 AM »
Yes that is the turbo outlet pipe, it shouldn't be leaking oil but there will be evidence of oil on the inside.
Maybe the end of the hose was damaged and has been cut off and couldn't be refitted over the metal tube so has been pushed inside.
The hose you found on Ebay is listed for the 115 engine 7M 145832A the 130 engine should be 7M 145737A so would advise checking your hose for the part number.

When running VCDS to do live data on engine performance I see you had blocks 10 & 11 you should also have 3 as this will record EGR duty.

Looking at your readings you just drove around normally, this is no use when checking turbo output and MAF readings as you need 100% throttle (flat out) and as near to 3000rpm ideally you need a long uphill gradient with some extra weight in the back
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2013, 08:06:26 AM »
Thanks Chris,

Not sure I can think of a stretch of road where I can go flat out up a hill. Any particular gear required and how long do I have to sustain this for to get a worthwhile reading? Will probably take the kids out later to get them to sleep, not much weight but better than nothing.

I've got the part number for the intercooler pipe - 7m3145737A - and I'm starting to see why they bodged it! Expensive http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=7m3145737&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.X7m3145737A&_nkw=7m3145737A&_sacat=0

I'm now thinking that this pipe should actually fit inside and not go over. If you have a look at the first picture you can see there are small screws. These wouldn't seem right if a hose went over the top. If you look at http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-TURBO-HOSE-PIPE-SHARAN-ALHAMBRA-GALAXY-1-9TDI-2-0TDI-7M3145737C-7M3-145-737C-/221171749489?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item337edd1271 (which ends in C not A) it would appear to go inside ad those screws perhaps retain it?
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2013, 10:05:48 AM »
Looking at the last Ebay pic of the pipe one end has a quick release fitting which would agree would fit inside the metal tube, this must be the difference between the 130 & 115.
This type of fitting is also used on the EGR valve inlet
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2013, 11:50:01 AM »
Just to confuse things.  Here's a picture from my 05 TDI 130 taken from above.

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It's possible mine has also been bodged as I had the radiator changed by a garage that also messed up other things and missed re-fitting other parts.  It does however seem to be the same hose as in the ebay listing going over the pipe with the jubilee clip holding it in place.  The other end of the hose goes into a quick release fitting, of the same type as the one in your picture, but on the intercooler(?) .  Your hose definitely seems to have the quick release fitting at the end shown also.  The screw looks like a self tapper someone has bodged in to hold in the wire spring clip that is supposed to hold it all together.  Personally I would remove the hose and look at the fittings, but be prepared to refit them the same way.  It looks to me like you have quick release fittings, probably on both ends of the hose and for some reason this end has been bodged as it wasn't being retained properly.  Incidentally the  2nd ebay listing appears to show quick release fittings on the exploded view but the photo of the pipe only appears to have one!
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2013, 11:59:07 AM »
Hummm this is confusing! I've never seen the quick type on the end of the pipe from the turbo - but I did think it was that type on the 130 intercooler. I'll inspect the parts catalogue for you :)
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2013, 12:12:38 PM »
Just to clarify on mine it is the quick type on the intercooler but not on the turbo end.  In PhilH's photo (which should be an earlier version of mine) it appears to have the quick type on the turbo.

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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2013, 12:19:53 PM »
Well the parts catalogue show's what appears to be quick type on both ends...

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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2013, 01:40:38 PM »
Thanks for trying to sort this out. I can't actually find any parts that I can by that have the quick release on both ends. I'm going to have a look next weekend to see what's gone on. So, are the quick release type ends self retaining? Is it just a push fit?

I hope those self tappers haven't damaged anything. it might be a cheaper option to buy the old type and some decent clips... what do you think?

The fact I have oil dripping from what I've read doesn't seem to be anything to worry about. It's only a small amount I think.

The other thing is the oil has been overfilled which I need to also sort out. The disptick is showing about 4-5mm over!
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2013, 01:54:03 PM »
If you look at the pipe that comes up to the EGR valve this has the same connection, you pull the lug on the spring ring this expands the ring just enough to slide the hose out, refitting you just push the pipe in until the ring clicks in position.
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2013, 02:40:23 PM »
And fyi, oil from the inter-cooler and pipework is perfectly normal. If the system is sealed, then you'd expect a film covering the inside of any pipe you remove. If its leaking (such as yours) then it will force out at this point so normally generates small drops of oil at that point.
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2013, 05:38:00 PM »
PhilH

Just been looking at that picture you put on the other site which shows a close up of the bodged pipework.

I can see now that the screw head in the pic is keeping the spring clip in it's slot there looks to be a gap on the far side as though it's not engaged correctly.
By the way the comment about the belt! they are ribbed on both sides as the belt uses both sets of ribs.
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2013, 08:10:11 PM »
Thanks Chris. As has already been said, I'm not going to know what went on there until I undo it all (and hope to get it back together).

I'm still unsure until I have a look whether both ends are quick release. They should be according to the pats catalogue diagram Mirez posted. The only problem is, even the genuine  VW part - only has quick release on one end.

Do you think a pipe with standard jubliee clips could be bodged to http://fit like what I posted before -
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2013, 08:35:12 PM »
I'e just read this which sounds like putting self-tappers in is common practice...
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2013, 10:10:22 PM »
Not heard of that happening myself but there you go you learn something everyday.
Looking at the difference between the 130 & 115 I can't see you getting the 115 hose without the quick release over your metal tube (difference in pipe diameter) also the intercooler is located differently the 115 being lower down.

Did think perhaps a large jubilee over the top of the spring ring may grip tighter once the self tapper screws are removed but would the holes left by the screws then cause a leak and pressure loss?
The first pipe you posted is the pipe that fits the other end of the intercooler for a 115, will it fit I wouldn't like to say but for £10 it might be worth a try
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Re: Oil Leak and Messy Turbo
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2013, 09:33:31 PM »
I can confirm the quick release is on both ends. I cut all the straps, removed the self tappers and the clip and released the pipe. There was virtually no oil. It was pretty clean. It was obvious that the lugs were worn.

I read somewhere that a bit of ptfe tape and silicon can fix the slight oil leak. So I gave that a go, put everything back as it was and placed some oil pads on top of the engine tray under the leaking area. I'll see how it goes. Not in a rush to buy a new pipe now.

It was also obvious that a joint had split at some point and sprayed grease everywhere. Looking much better now it's been cleaned up.

Thanks for all the comments.
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