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Author Topic: Rig rot...  (Read 204 times)

Offline KingyMAK

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Rig rot...
« on: November 13, 2020, 04:07:05 PM »
So yesterday, I got onto the little jobs...

Rigger rot;

I had it plated last year to get through the MOT from a mechanic I really trusted.
Turned out it wasn’t a good job as no drainage!

So.
This happened...


Had the rubbish cut out, but left that piece of plate it, to weld around.
Wig welded a new box section of 2.5mm in it in place.
 New drain holes put in and jobs a good’un!

Welded an 8-inch pipe into the exhaust too, from cat-to-centre section to repair the rotted joint.


Next on the job:
Found a detached drop link on passenger side and 2 slipped CV boots.
One of the boots on the track rod has also slipped.

I may just do a full front end rebuild if I get the time and money!
Found a cheap enough company to get new arms/wishbones, drop links, ball joints & track rods for under £150 surprisingly and German made...


Nice set of jobs ahead!

Offline KingyMAK

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2020, 04:08:32 PM »
I tried to add the images inline in the text rather than the end, but I kept getting errors saying it was too big to submit, even when I made the files smaller.
Apologies if the quality has dropped!

Offline brianh

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2020, 05:54:05 PM »
They look fine here quality wise once you click them to enlarge them. Outrigger doesn't look too healthy at the start though!

Offline KingyMAK

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2020, 07:02:51 PM »
Wish I took more photos when we ground out the chassis rail/outrigger and stuff!
It was a clip especially on the ‘jack-point’ pinch weld.

Offline TFG

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2020, 12:01:27 PM »
What was the condition of the inner face of the sills like, where the outriggers land on them? Same comment for where the inboard end of the outriggers lands?

I see that the T-shaped reinforcement plates (that lay over the inner rail and the outrigger) are available as spares and they don't cost much. It looks as though you bent them out of the way to get better access to the outrigger. Do they suffer with rot as well?

Nice work anyway. I think I've got this little job coming up for mine before long. I don't have the luxury of a ramp though  :(

Offline KingyMAK

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2020, 01:13:19 PM »
Inner sill on that point is shafted mate.
It’s got metal bent around it to keep it going!

Offline brianh

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2020, 03:10:35 PM »
It looks very much like what both of mine had fail on them, the t piece is somewhat thicker than the rest of the outrigger so would probabbly last somewhat longer than the rest of it.

Offline daddyfixit

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2020, 09:31:18 PM »
1. my n/s/f got done 2 weeks ago--2mm sheet formed into a box that ran into the inner sills that needed repair as well....now passed mot test

2.  were are the repair panels available rom please TFG ??

Offline brianh

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2020, 09:46:14 PM »
You can get them from Ford supposedly - 1359388 and 1359390 or 5M21 A10504 AA/5M21 A10505 AA
https://www.allcarpartsfast.co.uk/ford/ford-1359388-member-floor-x/
https://www.allcarpartsfast.co.uk/ford/ford-1359390-member-floor-x/

Someone else posted having found them via VW, which might be cheaper than Ford.
7M3 802 203/7M3 802 204 if I'm reading the parts diagram right > https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/rdw/sharan+syncro+4motion/sha/2003-406/8/803-803010/#18 Item 18 on there I think?

This post covers the last person who did that
https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-vw-sharan-seat-alhambra/rust-problems-underneath/

Offline TFG

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2020, 10:51:31 AM »
I've sent an email to Endon Services (aka AllCarPartsFast) enquiring as to availability and prices for the outriggers and junction plates. I know from past experience that just because they've listed them on their website, parts are not always available any longer  :'(

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2020, 11:02:15 AM »
I had a closer look at mine yesterday. The nearside one still looks to be in sound condition. Offside is starting to get nibbled around the two holes but it hasn't perforated (yet). What did alarm me was the amount of crud that's amassed inside them. I was dragging all sorts out through the holes with my finger, as far as I could reach in. The build-up must be a good half-inch thick inside. I'm trying to think of ways to clean it all out so that I can give it a good soaking with Dinitrol cavity wax. There are some fairly novel solutions on YouTube!

If they could be properly cleaned out, soaked with Dinitrol inside and all of the perimeter sealed with something like PU18, then it would be worth fitting some rubber blanking grommets to the two holes.

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2020, 12:23:56 PM »
Reply from AllCarParts: The outriggers are on back order. Typically that means a 1-2 week wait, but it could be longer. I speak from bitter past experience....

The prices on their website are also out of date. Outriggers are now £51.60+VAT each. The Junction Plates are 13.29+VAT each.

Offline Orbis

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2020, 12:34:28 PM »
1K0 899 184 is the part number from VW for a grommet that fits perfectly in the standard factory oval holes in the outriggers.
You can see it in my old post: https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-vw-sharan-seat-alhambra/rust-problems-underneath/

Offline brianh

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Re: Rig rot...
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2020, 05:26:35 PM »
I had a closer look at mine yesterday. The nearside one still looks to be in sound condition. Offside is starting to get nibbled around the two holes but it hasn't perforated (yet). What did alarm me was the amount of crud that's amassed inside them. I was dragging all sorts out through the holes with my finger, as far as I could reach in. The build-up must be a good half-inch thick inside. I'm trying to think of ways to clean it all out so that I can give it a good soaking with Dinitrol cavity wax. There are some fairly novel solutions on YouTube!

If they could be properly cleaned out, soaked with Dinitrol inside and all of the perimeter sealed with something like PU18, then it would be worth fitting some rubber blanking grommets to the two holes.

Hosepipe into the round hole and wash it out?

Might be worth trying vw instead, they may be cheaper. Had same thing happen with Endon when I needed the engine side cover, price had gone up but was still available

 

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