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Author Topic: Springs  (Read 457 times)

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Springs
« on: June 08, 2021, 01:28:11 PM »
Could anyone please tell me if these springs are wrong ?
they definitely don't look to be seated right ..
I put the reg NL54 NVA into ebay , and they sent "NAPA NCS1146" .

Do the springs go small at top as per


This is them , small at the top ...looks bottomed out
(I didn't put the bottom rubber back as it was torn)


This is the originals on the other side...seated higher



I tried them the other way round too



I'm guessing they're the wrong springs?
Dunno how to find the right ones, if they are

Many thanks
Liam


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Re: Springs
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2021, 09:36:19 PM »
Can't tell you if they are right, but looks very much like the same issue I've got and not sorted.car came like that on the offside, tried springbthe other way up to how it was and just doesn't look right. I suspect it's not right as it touches the lower arm past the rubber insulator bit. I suspect that's the source of my road noise.

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Re: Springs
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2021, 12:24:05 AM »
I seem to remember a discussion about this a few years back where aftermarket springs didn’t fit quite right,only Ford/vw ones seemed to fit correctly.

Can’t remember the exact details but think it may have been @insanitybeard who posted about it

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Re: Springs
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2021, 08:53:34 AM »
Hi guys. The issues I had are documented in the below thread:

https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-vw-sharan-seat-alhambra/mot-failure-3350/msg20472/#msg20472

Upshot was that the 'correct' springs should have a wire diameter that tapers down- i.e. becomes thinner- at the ends (where they seat) compared to the main body of the spring. The Sachs branded replacement springs I bought from Euro didn't have this taper and therefore would not seat properly. I replaced them with Spidan branded springs once I realised what the issue was and had no further issues as their springs were correctly tapered and therefore fitted correctly. The post I've linked (and one below it) have images showing the difference. There are other images in that thread that you may also find helpful to see the differences.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2021, 08:59:05 AM by insanitybeard »
Always learning..... Often by mistakes!

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Re: Springs
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2021, 01:14:26 PM »
Can't tell you if they are right, but looks very much like the same issue I've got and not sorted.car came like that on the offside, tried springbthe other way up to how it was and just doesn't look right. I suspect it's not right as it touches the lower arm past the rubber insulator bit. I suspect that's the source of my road noise.

Thank you !
That is exactly the problem I am having !
It's the resting on the arm that doesn't look right

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Re: Springs
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2021, 01:16:36 PM »
Hi guys. The issues I had are documented in the below thread:

https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-vw-sharan-seat-alhambra/mot-failure-3350/msg20472/#msg20472

Upshot was that the 'correct' springs should have a wire diameter that tapers down- i.e. becomes thinner- at the ends (where they seat) compared to the main body of the spring. The Sachs branded replacement springs I bought from Euro didn't have this taper and therefore would not seat properly. I replaced them with Spidan branded springs once I realised what the issue was and had no further issues as their springs were correctly tapered and therefore fitted correctly. The post I've linked (and one below it) have images showing the difference. There are other images in that thread that you may also find helpful to see the differences.

Thank you so much , off to read
Just noticed the difference on the first few coil bends..
(.looking how to attach pics..)

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Re: Springs
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2021, 01:17:55 PM »
A comparison , old and new

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Re: Springs
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2021, 07:42:37 PM »
Hi guys. The issues I had are documented in the below thread:

https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-vw-sharan-seat-alhambra/mot-failure-3350/msg20472/#msg20472

Upshot was that the 'correct' springs should have a wire diameter that tapers down- i.e. becomes thinner- at the ends (where they seat) compared to the main body of the spring. The Sachs branded replacement springs I bought from Euro didn't have this taper and therefore would not seat properly. I replaced them with Spidan branded springs once I realised what the issue was and had no further issues as their springs were correctly tapered and therefore fitted correctly. The post I've linked (and one below it) have images showing the difference. There are other images in that thread that you may also find helpful to see the differences.

Cheers, at least that identifies the problem, I've only got it on one side, so I'm guessing it only got a spring on that side when it broke. Certainly one side looks older than the other. So looks like the fix is a pair of new springs and the cups (again) as I've had it apart once already thinking the spring had been put in the wrong way up was the cause. Certainly seeing the spring contact the lower arm just like your photo shows.

Thanks for the info.

Interestingly also got the exact same point you have on the seat in that post worn through, and can feel the metal bit on it if I sit in the wrong place! Though at 170k not really surprising.

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Re: Springs
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2021, 08:57:38 PM »
Can I ask if anyone has a part number of the correct tapered springs because I'm having a nightmare are trying to get the supplier on eBay to understand

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Re: Springs
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2021, 09:10:29 PM »
Or do people just fit these thicker ones and leave it as is

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Re: Springs
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2021, 09:18:20 PM »
I suppose what I'm asking is would this be an MOT fail or should I just leave them as is

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Re: Springs
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2021, 10:04:55 PM »
Can I ask if anyone has a part number of the correct tapered springs because I'm having a nightmare are trying to get the supplier on eBay to understand

I'd suggest a photo of the problem might be the easiest way to get them to understand, you should be able to attach one to the message when you send it.

I don't think they would fail the MOT, But I know mine is noisy inside the car when going along, suspected to be down to that spring. I also get wear on the shoulder of the tyre on that side. So probabbly an idea to get it sorted really.

Which ones did you get off ebay? I've been looking at these https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303026530168

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Re: Springs
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2021, 10:09:26 PM »
Yes thanks I did send for pictures and explain three times but they just don't seem to get it at the minute maybe they don't do those things anymore. The picture you're showing me looks like the ones I have got which are not the same as the originals because the originals with thinner at the ends

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Re: Springs
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2021, 10:12:31 PM »
These are the ones from eBay I got which looks like the link you supplied problem is there the same thickness all the way from the piggy all the way around the spring which makes them sit lower about half an inch
The ones from eBay I got were
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174068637045

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Re: Springs
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2021, 10:20:32 PM »
I see what you mean, they taper towards the ends as well as the diameter change.

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Re: Springs
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2021, 10:41:56 PM »
yes ! once you see it , you cant unsee it :)


Spidan 55328
OEM Part Number   ‎Sachs 996 641, TRW JCS136, TRW JCS590, K+F 950 675 00, Bilstein 38-131257, Bilstein 38-131264, Spidan 55326_2, Spidan 55305_2, Optimal AF-1977, Febi Bilstein 38675, Optimal AF-2040, Optimal AF-2043

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Re: Springs
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2021, 10:46:01 PM »
ps these are? the ones with tapered ends

Spidan ‎55328
‎Sachs 996 641,
TRW JCS136,
TRW JCS590,
K+F 950 675 00,
Bilstein 38-131257,
Bilstein 38-131264,
Spidan 55326_2,
Spidan 55305_2,
Optimal AF-1977,
Febi Bilstein 38675,
Optimal AF-2040,
Optimal AF-2043

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Re: Springs
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2021, 10:51:04 PM »

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Re: Springs
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2021, 10:52:56 PM »
1058190 is whats shown on Microcat.

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/febi-bilstein/7106438 looks like the tapered type - and is described as "Coil spring with inconstant wire diameter"

No idea if the tapered end matters or not, but I'd suspect its been done for a reason and its been suggested somewhere in the course of it that it can alter the way the spring behaves.

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Re: Springs
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2021, 11:00:36 PM »
thank you
and thath link shows
Febi Bilstein 38675
which is on my list too

The tapered ends makes the spring sit higher...and off the arm
(as per pic)

BUT....if the cheaper ones, do the job, and pass an mot ...I'm tempted to leave

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Re: Springs
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2021, 11:02:11 PM »
havent heard of Microcat tbh...

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Re: Springs
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2021, 11:37:55 PM »
microcat is the software used on the parts desk in the dealerships to lookup parts by vin number etc.

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Re: Springs
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2021, 12:33:21 AM »
Thanks
 :)

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Re: Springs
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2021, 01:07:53 AM »
well... ya live and learn
if you go to https://ford.7zap.com/
and put in your VIN , it tells you straight away the right part number
ie 1058190

 

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