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Title: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on April 19, 2012, 09:06:47 PM
This one is probably more for Mirez, would like to fit the stereo remote switches into the steering wheel, but would like to know can the switches be retrofitted to a standard steering wheel or is it a case of fitting a new steering wheel, I have read somewhere that Mirez has done this, but am curious as what wiring was used, the VW wiring or Ford specific?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on April 19, 2012, 09:51:55 PM
Hi and welcome to the forum! Who told you that then? :)

Yes the Multifunction steering wheel (MFSW) was actually the last mod that I did, and I must say its awesome! :) You will need a fair few parts though and the wiring is self-wired, I'm not aware you can buy any "kit".

The switches CAN be fitted to the existing airbag and steering wheel, you'll need to take a craft knife to the existing wheel to cut out the section for the switches but that's the only differences between the wheels, hence it can be easily modded to fit. There are some airbag/switch sets brand new on ebay at the moment though. You'll also need a new indicator stalk without cruise, these are really easy to find and golf, bora and passat ones are the same so you can pick that up for under a tenner.

Now we move onto the harder parts to find - The first is the contact ring (slip ring, clock spring whatever you want to call it!) - these are hard to find as they are unique to the Galaxy with the MFSW, they do appear on ebay from time to time and the plus is because they are unique they aren't sought after so go reasonably cheaply. Finally the hardest part to source, the MFSW controller... not seen one of these on ebay in 12 months and I ended up buying mine new just to get the job done. This again is unique to the Galaxy with MFSW and since the MFSW has an onboard processor which talks its own language the MFSW controllers from VW/Audi wont work with it :(

Wiring wise as I said you need to make your own loom up, there is nothing too complicated here and I'll guide you in how and what to wire up but it'll take a while to write all that up so I'll let you source all the parts first and then we'll talk some more :)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on April 22, 2012, 07:25:42 PM
Well have started sorcing the parts for this little nightmare!! 8),But before I get carried away have to ask, is it possible to use the VAG MFSW and controller(as you can buy the VAG wiring and associated parts seperately) , or do they have to be Ford specific due to differences in the radio setups between VAG and Ford?VAG parts seem to be easier to source than the Ford parts.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on April 22, 2012, 10:04:42 PM
You can't use the VAG switches or controller with the galaxy wheel, you can however replace the steering wheel & airbag with a sharan/alhambra or golf/passat one and then use the VW MFSW controller. Of course you'll then have a VW/SEAT branded airbag which will IMO look pretty stupid sat in a Ford.
It won't talk to the Ford radios though so you'll need to replace that as well, either with the MFD Nav unit or a VAG stereo - I'm not sure but I suspect it won't be able to connect to a MFD thats branded as Ford either.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on April 23, 2012, 06:20:12 AM
Cheers Mirez,
Yeah I do agree with you about the airbag, but was just curious and wanted someone else to confirm that the VW controller wont speak to the radio due to differences between manufacturers(not that it matters as there's a double din JVC in), the other reason for asking was the controller & slip ring will have to come from Ford, as you know they are not cheap, still the parts will be ordered some time this week, will post again when all parts have been sourced
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on April 23, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
Dont say I'm not good to you :)

Slip ring:
Ebay Link (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Ford-Galaxy-Steering-wheel-column-contact-switch-/290559385096?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43a6b05e08#ht_500wt_1180)

Switch Pack: (Offer them 125 and they should accept! )
Ebat Link (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-PARTS-Ford-Galaxy-2001-2006-Air-Bag-Module-1315779-/150667840593?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item231480cc51#ht_1099wt_1159)

The controller you'll still need to find though, I've got the Ford part number if you need it.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on April 23, 2012, 04:41:37 PM
Mirez,
you are a star! I've spent the last couple of days looking for a slip ring(didn't think to try contact switch ::)) the switch pack has been ordered 110 and I got it! Just gotta order the controller now :o! and pick up the switch pack!!

Cheers mate!! ;)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on April 26, 2012, 06:17:38 PM
Okay,
Quick update all parts sourced and ordered,and most have turned up,

The Airbag turned up today, just happened to be the one with no cruise control fitted!
The controller has been ordered just gotta wait for Ford Germany to pull their finger out
Slip ring should be here 2morrow.
So hopefully can start fitting all this in the next couple of weeks when am next off for a couple of days,
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on April 26, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
Awesome! That controllers not cheap eh! Think mine was 140 and that was with a big discount :(

Fittings quite easy, have you ordered a relay base for the controller or just going to use crimp spade terminals? I tried to get the base and proper repair wires but you can't order the right one from VW, you have to go to Audi and they can't match to VW so it became a hit/miss affair and I used crimp spades and manufactured my own base in the end with hot glue :) Sounds a bit heath-robinson but it worked really well!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on April 26, 2012, 08:25:56 PM
How the hell did you get it that cheap!! ??? I work for FORD and the best price I got with a discount was 175! still waiting for it to arrive from germany when ordered it got refered so we'll see how long it takes them to find it. As for mounting I assumed that it fitted in the same place as the VW controller(under the bottom coloumn shroud, so I take it it mounts somewhere else then?Just gotta decide now wether to keep this airbag or get 'em to supply the right one according to their part number :P
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: gregers on April 26, 2012, 08:39:57 PM
WORK FOR FORD EH?

that could be benifical for the forum   ;) ;)

mmmm wonder if you can get a list of tsb's for the galaxy/smax range?????  8)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on April 26, 2012, 08:47:08 PM
Yes and Yes! ;D But can only get the TSB when i'm in work, as for the S-MAX someone would have to volunteer their number plate as it makes it easier to track down the TSB's specific to that model
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on April 26, 2012, 09:45:37 PM
Cheap? It was still friggin expensive! Ordered mine from a dealer friend in Germany, it was only the exchange rate at the time that made it cheaper :)

Annoyingly it was refered for me as well and took 3 weeks to arrive :( Fancy pricing up the factory body kit for me? Cheapest I can get that is just under 900!!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on April 26, 2012, 09:48:48 PM
Got the part numbers for it? I'll price it for you no problem
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on April 26, 2012, 09:54:18 PM
Thanks!

Front spoiler: 1128960
Rear spats : 1128962
Side skirts: 1128961
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on April 30, 2012, 05:28:24 PM
Update!
Miracles do happen :o! (if you cross ya fingers, toes and anything else you can cross, lol)
The Controller has arrived, all parts aquired and are now ready for fitting!
Mirez any chance you could let me know what wiring is needed for the home made loom,
Thanks
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on April 30, 2012, 09:12:13 PM
Awesome, yes I can do you the wiring bits and bobs tomorrow. Does your car have cruise?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 01, 2012, 08:08:42 AM
Cheers Mirez,
Yeah the car has cruise the switch pack doesn't have the cruise fitted to it, not sure wether to try and get them to replace with correct part going by their part numbers or just fit the switch pack that I have, any thoughts on that one.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 01, 2012, 08:43:12 AM
Entirely up to you, the controller you bought is capable of controlling the cruise circuit though, it won't make that much difference either way though so its up to you but personally I'd want all the buttons :D
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 01, 2012, 09:58:11 AM
After a fair bit of e-mailing and checking part numbers they have apparently shipped the switch pack with the cruise control fitted, would prefer that one anyway, so will have to wait and see if it's the correct switch pack should be here today with a bit of luck! Will keep ya posted.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 01, 2012, 07:57:33 PM
Well these are the notes I made as I installed mine, if there's anything you don't understand or want to clarify then let me know and I'll try and remember ;D

Some of the suggestions are just my ramblings and are not specifically where the connection should be made however this IS from my green check sheet (I know I'm sad lol) so this is whats installed and where in my car:

C607: Left side of MFSW Controller C608: Right side of MFSW Controller
1= N/C
2= ACPH Audio Controls to Pin 1 C413
3 = N/C
4 = Cruise Canbus > Pin 4 on M546
5= MFL RFB Audio Controls to Yellow/Red Pin 11 C67 (Mini Green on Nav)
6= Diagnostics In K line
7= ACPL Audio Controls to Pin2 C413
8= Cruise SET > Reroute from Pin 3 C263
9= Horn Relay Ground to Make (Reroute Pin3 from C81 Airbag connector)
10= Ground
11=N/C
12= Supply > Spur from Pin6 C263
13= Memory Supply > Fed from F32 > Instrument Cluster Red wire on Pin23 from C170 (Blue)
14 = Cruise Cancel > Reroute from Pin5 C263
15 = Illumination Supply > Fed from Green Wire on Pin 20 from C170 (Blue)
16 = Cruise Resume > Reroute from Pin2 C607
17= N/C
18= Horn On > Ground loop from Pin1 C546


C546: MFSW@Clockspring
Green1= Horn On Into Pin 9 of C607
Black2= Ground
Purple3= Supply From Pin6 of C263
Red4= Cruise CANBUS > Pin 4 of C608
5= N/C
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 01, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
Cheers Mark!
Will have a look through this and will probably be back in touch! LOL
Just waiting for new switch pack to arrive hopefully be here 2morrow, fitting will now have to be put off until I'm next off for a couple of days! Still can get on with the wiring now!
Hopefully when I do this will try and remember to take photos as I go along a maybe make a how to out of it?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 01, 2012, 09:56:44 PM
That would be awesome mate thanks!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 04, 2012, 08:11:12 PM
Mark! HELP!!
Having a spot of bother tracking down M546, have been trawling through wiring diagrams (but the hamster has now fallen off the wheel dazed and confused)I know roughly where it's supposed to be(FORD being really helpful have it listed as dash panel centre when you try connector location) but don't remember seeing a square green plug? Am I missing something here? would be great if you can remember roughly where it is(only the Hamster in my head a taken a bit of a pasting this week and can't cope anymore!)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 05, 2012, 09:42:42 AM
humm away this weekend mate so don' have access to any of the notes. I seem to remember a discrepancy with connector description with oneof them so it could be that. The cruise system is dealt with by the small black connector you remove from the back of the left stalk but i don' think that's the one, wil have to look it up sunday night for you.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 07, 2012, 01:15:26 PM
Mirez,
sorry to be a pain but, when you make the connections from the feeds/connections are you re-routing the cable i.e removing the existing cable and soldering/crimping to new location, or did you join new length of cable from existing location to the controller?
Hope thats clear,
Thanks
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 07, 2012, 03:42:35 PM
Right C546, is the connector at the clock spring unit.

Some are rerouted, some are spliced it depends on which section your doing. Since the cruise is being moved then they will be re-routed. The supplies and grounds up by the cluster will be spliced and the horn is also rerouted.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 07, 2012, 04:49:12 PM
Cheers Mirez,
They other one I can't find is C67 and M546 or is M546 the cruise control wiring plug at the stalk, just trying to get this straight so I know roughly where to look, hopefully start this next week, think I've got the rest located, hopefully it's just these last two.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 07, 2012, 05:18:50 PM
M is a C - sorry my typo. As above, its the one going to the clock spring unit.

C67 is the mini plug on the back of the MFD, if you don't have the nav unit then it'll be into the yellow plug of the ford radio.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 07, 2012, 07:44:19 PM
Well thats why I couldn't find it then!
My fingers can't spell either! ;D Hopefully thats it now I know where the connectors are will crack on with it next week and hopefully remember to take photos as I go along (hopefully!)
Mirez will cobble it together and pass it on to you if thats allright and hopefully make the how to from it? If thats allright with you ?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 07, 2012, 07:49:29 PM
Yeah by all means :)

Good luck!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 07, 2012, 08:15:58 PM
Thanks!
I think I might need it!
One last one could you take the memory supply and the illumination from the radio wiring?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 07, 2012, 08:27:16 PM
Yeah if you prefer, its all down there I just put the control module up near the cluster so it was easier for me. Just make sure your supply doesn't drop out during cranking - no huge problem if it does but you'll log a fault code every time.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 07, 2012, 08:52:27 PM
Cheers Mark!
Does the control module need programming?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 07, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
Yes! Soft coding only though :)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 17, 2012, 09:15:48 PM
Okay quick update,
started stripping car ready to fit new switch pack,just a question about the switch gear(steering column indicator stalk)do the switches come apart as the new indicator stalk I got has only got a plastic ring? As for the DLC is that a new connection to pin7 or splicing into it?
Mirez there will be a load of photo's coming your way hopefully tomorrow should be complete by then. I remembered the camera! 8) so if anyone else fancies doing this we will hopefully have step by step instructions! 8)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 18, 2012, 08:35:17 AM
Yup the stalks can be separated, there are two plastic lugs to depress (inside the ring iirc) and then they side apart.

DLC wire can be taken to any of the K-Line circuits around the car and just splices in, again its a canbus style communication.

Excellent, glad its started well :D
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 18, 2012, 09:32:18 AM
Cheers Mark,
Switches are the next thing to be removed and then onto the wiring,so far so good,hopefully get this done before midday today, as I need the car for the weekend, so here's hoping, will keep you informed, and hopefully e-mail the photos to you later.
Thanks for the help, will probably be back in touch hopefully to say it's finished! 8)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: gregers on May 18, 2012, 09:15:05 PM
sounds good m8,looking forward to the pics.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 19, 2012, 09:14:28 AM
Okay update,
Things have not gone according to plan,
No real problems with the wiring all done, cables moved to right locations(I think), powered car back up, and Hey pesto! I have illuminated steering wheel controls! WOOOH HOOOO! I was thinking, coded the module, and from here on in everything goes tits up! No horn, no cruise control, buttons have no effect whatsoever, air bag failure now being displayed on MFD, and to top it all off no farking audio controls! Apart from that no problem!
Now stuck in work all weekend, so wont have a chance to re-check all wiring connections to the module!
Bloody work!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 19, 2012, 10:56:46 AM
Ahh crap, did you drive the car after coding it and what code did you use?

The horn, illumination and audio controls are all part of that canbus circuit, the airbag's on its own and the cruise on/off is also on its own.

If the on/off's not working for the cruise then that takes it away from the coding or the module but the airbag circuit stands out for me as you shouldn't have touched anything with that wiring so for it to throw a wobbler seems weird. The obvious thing that springs to mind is that the clock spring wasn't centred when you put the wheel back on and subsequently its ripped when you've turned the wheel? Did you follow the refitting section at the bottom of the removal post (https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/reference-library/galaxy-mk2-removing-the-steering-wheel/)?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 19, 2012, 11:51:12 AM
Yeap! Followed Fords method for resetting the clock spring too, the Horn and Airbag warning might be because I forgot to replace Pin3 on C81! ::) So will chuck that back in tonight and see what happens, with my luck at the mo the Airbag will probably deploy ??? The weird part is the illumination is working, soft coding was done with a Ford VCM but then came back with a no communication, checked later with VAGCOM and got the soft coding from the module 01028 but dont understand why it's coded it with that when I dont have Nav fitted?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 20, 2012, 06:10:40 AM
Right here we go!
Checked the wiring to the controller last night,
All feeds are correct and working, all grounds are correct, but before doing all that did notice that the steering wheel no longer illuminates, put car back on diagnostics selected the MFSW no outputs from switches being detected by VCM, only DTC stored in car is the no comm's with the MFSW controller, am beginning to think the controller may be shot.
Any thoughts from anyone? or suggestions as to what to try next, at the mo refitted the original switch pack and now at least have a horn, but airbag light still persists, maybe because the controller is still wired including the ground from Pin3 C81, could that be dragging down the airbag circuit if the controller is knackered?Will remove controller on Monday and return to dealer for a replacement.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 20, 2012, 05:53:54 PM
That smacks of clock spring unit being defective instead. If the controller was shot its unlikely you'd get comms to it.

Horn is a ground loop through the CS unit
Airbag is 100% separate through the CS unit
Cruise On/Off is separate
Illumination, audio and cruise switches are all single wire to the controller inside the switch pack - again through the CS unit.

Since your MFSW controller is saying it can't see the controller inside the switch pack then that's the most likely culprit. Remove it from the car and test it with a multimeter.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 20, 2012, 07:58:38 PM
Clock spring is fine all connections bell out with a multi meter,Funnily enough that's exactly what I did this afternoon,am off for the next week or so,first job tomorrow will be to pull the controller,re-check the wiring connections, check the feeds to the MFSW to make sure that has got a feed, will then re-connect to the VCM and try the module check to see if the switches are actually giving an output, when tested very quickly yesterday none of the switches were giving any fed back to the VCM, maybe something really stupid like I have missed the feed to MFSW, cos thats the only thing I can think of as the switches aren't doing a damn thing.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 20, 2012, 08:22:45 PM
Humm if the CS is fine then the next step is to get rid of that fault code - you won't get any of the switches to do a thing if the MFSW controller can't "see" the wheel controller.

The other thing is that soft-code. I had all manner of issues as I guessed my way through the codes, it could be as simple as the code isn't correct for your setup. Have you tried 00008 as the soft code?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 21, 2012, 05:07:04 PM
Very quick update, re-checked wiring everything is where it should be, all feeds are giving 12volts,permanent live is permanent, all grounds are correct, yet the steering wheel will not illuminate, and the diagnostics just keeps coming back with no comms to MFSW controller, so I think the controller may be dead?, on a plus point finally got rid of the airbag warning, the system needed resetting, now airbag fault clear and no warning light! At least something has been fixed :D. Mark, as far as the soft coding goes the 01028 is the coding the VCM put into the controller when programming the module, right before it all went tits up! :( As I can no longer get into the damn thing can't try any other soft codes, which is why I'm leaning towards the controller being dead. Any other suggestions as to what to try?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 21, 2012, 10:41:57 PM
Ahhhhhh I finally understand, through you could access the MFSW controller but IT couldn't see the steering wheel controller. You can't access it full stop right?

The softcode won't have effected that in any way so the only thing to check there is that the K-Line is still connected (Pin 6) and maybe try unplugging the controller for 10 mins just in case its got some kind of bug after the programming.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 22, 2012, 08:01:22 AM
Correct, can no longer access the controller full stop, it did work for about five minutes but went tits up half through programming and locked up the VCM, as a result cannot reset the fault code either, the entire car was powered down( battery disconnected ) overnight Friday and still no comms, :( which is why I'm beginning to think the controller is dead. At the dealers request the car has been booked in to have the wiring checked by a ford tech just to shut them up and before I can get a replacement controller. So looks like another 10 days before new controller arrives. Hopefully new won't decide to die half through programming!  :D
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 22, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Yeah that sounds like controllers screwed - bummer :(
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 22, 2012, 08:07:16 PM
Well some good news the dealer has agreed to order a new controller, just a bit concerned now that it might happen again :(,still will wait and see what ford tech says when he checks the controller wiring on Thursday.Just got to wait now for the new controller to turn up. In the mean time have had to put the car back together with the old clock spring and airbag but at least I got a working horn now ;D.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 22, 2012, 08:12:35 PM
Bugger - least its been ordered so you'll hopefully be back to working again soon. Little tip though - use VCDS next time lol ;)

Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 22, 2012, 08:20:46 PM
If I could I would but don't have full version of VCDS, as I've got a  VCM. Fords own diagnostic (Vehicle Communications Module) as used by your local Ford dealer, so that should be okay.must hoping I was unlucky and had a duff controller.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 22, 2012, 09:17:30 PM
You can code modules with the shareware version! The module should have arrived ready to plug and play, its only the softcode that needs to be popped in.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 23, 2012, 08:12:30 PM
Allright! Will down load the shareware version of VCDS and see what happens, by the way one quick question for you, when you powered up your controller did your steering wheel switch pack start flashing? If you can remeber, just remembered that the switch pack was flashing when the battery was re-connected, don't know if that means anything or not?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 23, 2012, 08:41:03 PM
Nope, never seen it flashing! Not quite sure what that means but generally flashing on VW's indicates its knackered lol.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 23, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
Hope that means it's the controller and not the switch pack! Will find out soon or I'll be ordering a new switch pack, lol this could get expensive! But I won't it now looks so good!!!lol 8)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 23, 2012, 09:19:14 PM
lol, it does look SOO much better then then without. Coming from a string of true Ford's its also nice to see it all light up instead of just guess in the dark lol
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 24, 2012, 07:59:01 AM
Lol Totally agree ford should have lit them all, sure they think everybody either has ESP or we all have night vision or something! Not the easiest functions to use in the dark!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Chrispb on May 24, 2012, 01:51:37 PM
I think ESP was an option on the MK2 but standard on the MK3 cya
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: philclemo on May 25, 2012, 11:04:45 AM
Hey guys, is this useful?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-GALAXY-MK2-VW-SHARAN-STEERING-WHEEL-AIR-BAG-SLIP-RING-SPRING-1J0959653B-/330722447406?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d0098102e
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 25, 2012, 11:16:35 AM
Not really :)

That slip ring is your run of the mill basic one, just airbag and horn. If you are upgrading to the MFSW you need the big boy version which contains the ESP sensor and extra wiring as well.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 28, 2012, 10:54:17 AM
Here we go then, Thursday at the insistence of the dealer wiring to the controller was checked, no problem with the wiring, replacement controller was ordered at the beginning of the week, turned up Friday afternoon, so will hopefully be refitting switch pack and clock spring and hopefully have a working MFSW, or I'll be ordering a new switch pack!
Will keep ya posted.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: philclemo on May 28, 2012, 02:13:05 PM
Good luck, fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 28, 2012, 07:00:55 PM
Okay who's money was on the slip ring? Finally got the switch pack working, all switches are operating, according to the diagnostic test, but the bloody horn still won't work, tried a different switch pack, and the horn still didn't work only thing they have in common is the slip ring! Put car back together with the original slip ring all wiring still running through the controller and the horn works! So is gotta be the slip ring? Unless someone can think of something else?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 29, 2012, 10:49:43 AM
Quote
Reply #43 on: May 20, 2012, 05:53:54 PM
That smacks of clock spring unit being defective instead.

 n00b lol :)

Glad you've identified the problem though, strange it all measured out ok though as its just a coiled cable which is a weird.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 29, 2012, 06:06:37 PM
Well the saga continues, last night when I got back from the dealers got really pissed off and took the clock spring apart, (not a lot in there, got bored and put it back together!),this morning went out to the car and had 1 last crack at it finally got the horn to work! Ohhh! Happy days! Putting the car back together and then got a constant airbag fault! Ahhh crap! Couldn't clear fault, stripped the car again! Found air bag connector had disintegrated and all wiring was just hanging loose, probably explains the high resisitance fault I thought, then net to check the switch outputs on the diagnostics and absolutely nothing working, yesterday had all switches working just no horn, so have come to the conclusion that as no switches are giving any feed back to the diagnostics that taking the clock spring apart probably wasn't the best idea, end result is have now ordered new clock spring, if this doesn't cure the problems with the airbag, and switches giving no output I'm giving up!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on May 29, 2012, 06:30:48 PM
Its certainly turned into a saga hasn't it :(

The clock springs a weird old thing, because its essentially just a coiled ribbon cable, if its been over stretched at any point then it can have intermittent faults as the cable makes and breaks with the movement.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on May 29, 2012, 07:25:16 PM
It's been fun! Lol  now it's getting to the point where if the clock spring doesn't cure some of the faults I'm giving up, more importantly if I hadn't had a bossy yesterday it would probably be working now! Still ya live and learn just sometimes it's the hard way! Lol just keep smiling! Grit ya teeth and tell ya self it can't get any worse.lol it doesn't help by the way! Lol
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 07, 2012, 10:37:46 AM
 woohoo At last some good news! MFSW now working all lights up cruise control works, only problem is the audio still wont work! But a result non the less! Happy Chappy!! As for the audio willhave to bang original head unit in just to see if it works at all!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: blue metal on June 07, 2012, 12:41:57 PM
well done that man!
was the head unit yours or the car? ;D ;D

blue metal
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on June 07, 2012, 01:01:49 PM
YeeeHaaa. Congrats my man, It may well be a softcoding issue as to why the audio's not working as its setup for VW Can by default.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 07, 2012, 01:59:59 PM
Blue Metal, it's a bit of both  [bash] , will try the old head unit(original Ford) just to see if that works with the audio unit, and thanks for the congrats!
So glad its finally showing signs of life, do like the cruise on the steering wheel!

Mirez,
as far as the soft coding goes it's showing as 01028, when programming the module it only asks if the car has Nav or not, then programmes the module and that's the soft coding, so not sure why the audio is refusing to play ball it's only 2 wires and should work! Unless I've missed something? If I have I can't find it LOL will have another look next week sometime when I've got a bit more time and see what's what, gotta just tidy up the wiring now it's working properly ish! ;D
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Chrispb on June 07, 2012, 02:13:06 PM
Am sure you'll sort it, you got this far with it.
Well done [GJ]
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 07, 2012, 03:17:04 PM
Thanks Chris!
I'll get there in the end, nothing if not persistant! LOL although sometimes it did feel like I was banging my head against a wall, good fun in a strange sort of way! LOL Still the satisfaction when you do finally get it working makes it worth it.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: gregers on June 07, 2012, 09:33:18 PM
and theres me thinking you were about to rip it all out!!!!!!!!

glad its giving you a break now m8ty, ;)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 07, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
Rip all out! Never! Lol I did come close a few times though! At least now I feel like I'm getting somewhere with it
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 08, 2012, 09:26:37 PM
Mark,
A quick question is pin 11 from C67 12volts by any chance?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on June 10, 2012, 01:31:16 PM
C67 is the nav/vw mini iso connector which you don't have?

Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 10, 2012, 02:52:30 PM
Was just wondering if pin11 is 12volts, if it is it may be why the audio controls from the wheel aren't working?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on June 10, 2012, 04:37:40 PM
Ahhh I see, don't think so - its comms at 5V I think...
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 10, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
Might be worth trying, the only YE/RD I could find in the wiring diagrams is 12v ignition feed, will try it later in the week and see what if anything happens, it's the only cable missing and the only reason I can think of that the audio controls aren't working.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 12, 2012, 07:48:16 PM
Just a quick update, finally found out why the audio controls wont work, Pin 5 on the controller has to have a 5v feed runnning to it to activate the audio controls, so am now going to Maplins to get a 12v to 5v regulator and hopefully have all functions on the steering wheel working, will let ya know what happens on Thursday! Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 14, 2012, 10:25:55 PM
That's it I give up, put the 5v to pin5 on the controller and the audio still won't play ball,I'm lost now all wiring is there, they still won't bloody we'll work! Any ideas anyone, this ironically is the part I really wanted working !
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: v6mikey on June 15, 2012, 10:14:19 AM
Sorry, I can't help you with your installation.

I would like to know what parts I would require to carry this out on my Sharan and whether it would be easier (cheaper)  to source the parts for the Sharan than the Gal.

Would something like this be good to start with?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-GOLF-MK4-LEATHER-STEERING-WHEEL-/170716896201?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27bf851bc9#ht_500wt_1184
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on June 15, 2012, 12:45:36 PM
This is for the Ford radio isn't it? I'll take a look tonight for you as mine was wired for the VW.

Yup the golf wheel will fit just fine, you'll still need the clock spring unit but that's different again and a conventional VW one should do you fine. The controller is also the regular VW one and not the Ford special one and they can be picked up for under a tenner now - all in should be a cheap(ish) retro for a VW (Damn you!)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: v6mikey on June 15, 2012, 11:18:10 PM
Excuse me if this is a noob question, but what's the difference between the clock springs?
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 16, 2012, 12:30:54 PM
The difference between the clock springs are the extra connections through the clock springs for the additional wiring for the switches, bloody sight cheaper for the VW than the galaxy as well! LOL Lucky git!! ;D
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 20, 2012, 08:24:18 PM
Finally! Got around to re-fitting the Ford head unit today, moved the neccessary wires around and the audio controls work! So there must be a problem with either the stalk adaptor or the JVC head unit, but at least now I know the audio switches work! Will have a look the notes I made sort 'em out so they make sense and e-mail to Mark so he can make a how to out of it! A lot of problems seem to have been caused by the after market head unit not functioning properly!  But it is now done all proved to be working!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on June 20, 2012, 09:02:48 PM
I think the phrase you are looking for is "Yeee-fooking-haaa" :D
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 21, 2012, 08:19:43 AM
Yeah! But the woo hoo just wasn't big enough lol it's driven me nuts but also been a lot of fun and actually made me think! Thanks for all the help and your right it is a great mod!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on June 21, 2012, 09:02:24 AM
Get the NAV unit in there now ;)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 21, 2012, 10:09:33 AM
Next mod is to get the oil temp gauge working, but will have to wait until next oil change, then lets see what problems I have with that  ;D,feel a whole new topic coming on! LOL
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on June 21, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
Ahhh now thats actually a doddle. Sump off, drill hole, mount sender, 3 wires to cluster. Done ;)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 21, 2012, 04:55:45 PM
Quick update, the reason the aftermarket head unit wouldn't work with the steering wheel audio controls is the auto leads harness and patch lead are the wrong ones for the galaxy! So I've been banging my. Head against the wall for fooking reason than auto leads got it wrong!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on June 21, 2012, 06:15:01 PM
Awww man how much does that suck? Take it back and give em heaps!
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on June 21, 2012, 06:25:46 PM
Will do if I can find the receipt! Lol still the right one has now been ordered, just in case anybody else does this do not use the autoleads pc99 harness or the pc99-x07 for the JVC it's the wrong harness and patch lead! Although the autoleads web site states that is the correct one! As far as I can tell its only the JVC that is affected.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: drober42 on July 02, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
WOOO HOOOOO!!
It all works even with the JVC head unit fitted!! Fookin Marv!!

If any bodyelse wants to change their head unit from Factory to Aftermarket you'll need a 29-653 stalk adaptor harness,try these guys, Incartech.co.uk, ordered mine from them Friday arrived Saturday morning! Now thats service, although Autoleads say the PC99-X07 will work with the MK2 Galaxy it won't.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on July 02, 2012, 08:56:36 PM
Awesomeness :)
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: v6mikey on February 25, 2013, 10:22:45 AM
Right, I have managed to find a steering wheel with the switches and the slip ring.  I just have a couple of questions if you can help.

As I retro fitted cruise to my car, will this make any difference to the install?

Do you know the part number for the mfsw controller that I will need?

Will my airbag go onto the new steering wheel with the switches?

Hope someone can help.
Title: Re: Steering Wheel Radio remote switches
Post by: Mirez on February 25, 2013, 01:52:13 PM
A sharan wheel I take it? The VW wheel is a totally different setup to the Galaxy, for a start its 8 buttons instead of the Galaxy's 11 and I'm not sure which ones are missing and where there replacement is.

Ie, the Galaxy has Cruise On/Off, Set, Resume and Cancel on the wheel. AFAIK the Sharan just has the Set and Resume functions? I presume the rest of the functions remain on the stalk but not looked into that so can't say how it will effect the Cruise Retrofit.

The controller you need should be the standard VW one for car's of your era, a damn site cheaper then the Ford hybrid one ;) The Slip-ring will also need to be the VW variant and not the fords-wagon Frankenstein thing ;)

Airbag - pass, again not looked into the VW setup however from a very quick photo comparison it would appear that no, the MFSW is a different shape around the spokes.