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Author Topic: Terminal tool  (Read 1823 times)

Offline I MAC

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Terminal tool
« on: March 25, 2017, 08:39:21 AM »
Been cracking on with a few repairs replaced drivers door loom all fine bar one shot on passenger window but will live with it
Replaced osr loom as water in loom and badly corroded problem is the second hand loom came and unbeknown to me the 3 tabs on the plug where broken so it won't lock in place
Has anyone used a terminal removal tool to disconnect terminals or any other item method to remove terminals
As the original connector is fine plus vw actually list it as a separate part as well as the locking ring for door pillar as I need to replace this as well
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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2017, 09:21:18 AM »
I have used them in past when I was in the trade but there are several different sizes available depending on the plug you are working on. In my experience it is not easy to use anything other than correct tool as you end up damaging the plug/terminal.

Is it the location tabs inside plug that are broken or the tabs that hold locking ring on?

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2017, 09:36:49 AM »
The lock ring on pillar needs replacing as 2 of the 3 little tabs have broke off
As for the main plug when you engage and turn to lock it doesn't pull the plug in as the 3 black lugs are pushed in and won't stay out for the ring to pull against
I've seen the star shaped tool but read that because there is a high wall on the plug it doesn't engage to unlock the terminal
Also seen the lazer tool but also read there are 2 different sizes but only 1 tool
Didn't really want to go scrap yard and pay out for another looming there is another way


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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2017, 11:27:45 AM »
The lock ring is easy to replace you don't need a loom for that,just unscrew one from a scrap yard. When refitting you will probably need to get to rear of socket to hold in place while you fit the ring.

As for the loom plug the tabs on ring that secures locking ring on to plug are still there? If they are it just sounds like it is in the wrong position to me.

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2017, 12:00:41 PM »
As above I have seen kits of specialist terminal tools along with terminal repair splice kits from my days in the trade but I've not seen them available outside of the trade, furthermore as there are numerous terminal types and sizes (e.g, round pin, flat blade and their corresponding male/ female sections) there are corresponding terminal tools, which are shaped correctly to release the plastic locking tangs from the connector body- allowing the terminal to be removed from the connector. If the tool is not correct it will not engage in the tangs correctly or at all. I think with some delicate work and perseverance using very fine jewellers screwdrivers you may be able to accomplish the same thing but it's not ideal, and you run the risk of braking the tangs after which the terminal will not 'lock in' to the connector body.
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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2017, 12:41:58 PM »
Had a look about online was hoping someone on here may well of done it as I said vw actually sell the connectors so it is doable but as you say with the correct tools
As it's the rear loom I have nothing to lose plus I have the old one from the front to practice on first
Cheers for all your help and info as always much appreciated
Will let you know how I do

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2017, 12:49:18 PM »
Yeah, VW (in most cases) sell the connector bodies as individual parts (unlike Ford!) which is handy but no good if you can't remove the terminals from the old body without damage! Having said that, if you were able to obtain a new connector body, then being that the old one was scrap anyway, with some skillful work with a dremel or very fine saw then you may be able to cut the old body in such a way that you can remove the terminals without damage, they simply push in to the new body- just make sure that the cable/ terminal is going in to the correct 'port' in the connector as you don't want to be trying to remove it again! There is usually a bit of resistance when pushing the terminals in as in most cases there is a rubber sealing ring at the back of each terminal designed to stop water from getting into the connector.
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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2017, 01:11:19 PM »
Yeah, VW (in most cases) sell the connector bodies as individual parts (unlike Ford!) which is handy but no good if you can't remove the terminals from the old body without damage! Having said that, if you were able to obtain a new connector body, then being that the old one was scrap anyway, with some skillful work with a dremel or very fine saw then you may be able to cut the old body in such a way that you can remove the terminals without damage, they simply push in to the new body- just make sure that the cable/ terminal is going in to the correct 'port' in the connector as you don't want to be trying to remove it again! There is usually a bit of resistance when pushing the terminals in as in most cases there is a rubber sealing ring at the back of each terminal designed to stop water from getting into the connector.
Good option there I've ordered a vw tool from lazer will see how I get on if not and the connector is overly expensive I may try this out
May be cheaper to buy a donor vehicle the more I fix the more I find (break) she is 12 with 170k but still pulls like a train
I love the space and option on set up If forced I may move from galaxy to a newer sharon or alhambra but will cross that bridge when needed

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2017, 01:43:25 PM »
What tool did you order out of interest? Can you post a link? Yes they may be an old design but the Mk2 SharaGalahambras are still good vehicles, I've grown quite attached to mine and enjoy driving it, it's comfortable and non-fatiguing I find, with a decent amount of performance and torque.
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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2017, 01:58:20 PM »
Good option there I've ordered a vw tool from lazer will see how I get on if not and the connector is overly expensive I may try this out
May be cheaper to buy a donor vehicle the more I fix the more I find (break) she is 12 with 170k but still pulls like a train
I love the space and option on set up If forced I may move from galaxy to a newer sharon or alhambra but will cross that bridge when needed

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2017, 02:00:25 PM »

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2017, 02:07:55 PM »
Do you mean the 3 tabs that are shown in 2nd picture down in this thread?
https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-reference-library/ford-galaxy-repairing-broken-door-wiring/#sthash.DykGdZ2J.dpbs
Who ever had it before me Had pushed those tabs in so as they don't lock on the ring any more
The tool is to remove the actual pins in the plug so I can hopefully put my old plug on as that works correctly

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2017, 02:16:45 PM »
Can you not just gently bend them out? I am sure the design of them is when you connect the plug the inside of socket pin block presses on them to push out.


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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2017, 02:26:28 PM »
Tried 1 broke and the others stop the plug going in
That's how I broke the retaining ring on the B pillar

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2017, 02:43:31 PM »
What about warmimg them slightly to make flexible enough to re shape without snapping the remaining 2 off?

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2017, 03:20:46 PM »
What about warmimg them slightly to make flexible enough to re shape without snapping the remaining 2 off?
Will have a go when I get the new b pillar ring as I have to disconnect it then
As it's just pushed together partly inside the pillar at the minute

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2017, 03:32:23 PM »
It's certainly worth a go you have nothing to lose,and if it works saved the hassle of trying to strip plug.

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2017, 12:27:15 PM »
I couldn't get the above link to work, but I assume this is what you've ordered? Be sure to let us know if it does the job, I'm not sure if it'll work on all VW multiplugs due to the different terminal sizes and shapes and there are other more comprehensive (albeit more expensive) terminal kits made by Laser shown in the suggestions at the bottom of the page I've linked, but in any case, it's good to know that terminal removal kits are available out there- I wasn't aware of that!  [GJ]
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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2017, 02:34:03 PM »
I couldn't get the above link to work, but I assume this is what you've ordered? Be sure to let us know if it does the job, I'm not sure if it'll work on all VW multiplugs due to the different terminal sizes and shapes and there are other more comprehensive (albeit more expensive) terminal kits made by Laser shown in the suggestions at the bottom of the page I've linked, but in any case, it's good to know that terminal removal kits are available out there- I wasn't aware of that!  [GJ]
Yes that's the tool whilst searching about there is a tutorial by a member from the vw group on how to make the above tool but also he makes a smaller tool himself
So as you say there is going to be different tools
But worth a try and will certainly let you know how it goes

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2017, 11:53:03 AM »
@I MAC, have you made any progress with this yet?
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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2017, 12:11:40 PM »
Forgot about this ha
Tool arrived well made and strong
As mentioned above there is 2 sizes that the vw guy makes if you can find video on YouTube
This is the larger tool
It does work but only on the larger crimps and most of the connections in the plug are small although the tool will go in with a bit of persuasion
So as suggested once I fitted the red locking ring I managed to use the 1 locking tang to hold the locking ring on the male connector and all locked in place
I think with a bit of fettling or maybe a dremel and a new plug which can be bought separately this could be achieved
Oh and a lot of patients but it's good for me now apart from one shot passengers window
So now on to strut mounts

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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2017, 09:45:34 PM »
At least you've sorted it. Do you reckon that tool could be 'modified' (i.e, made smaller) to suit the smaller terminals? I see you can get fairly comprehensive Laser set 4027 from Machine Mart for 63 quid, at that price, I'm almost tempted but it's not like you dismantle multiplugs frequently enough to justify the outlay!
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Re: Terminal tool
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2017, 11:04:52 PM »
You probably could especially if you watched the video of how the fella makes his own as it's quite comprehensive in giving you size and shape information and even how he made a jig
He use to sell them but for some reason stopped

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