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Author Topic: Thermostat  (Read 12961 times)

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Thermostat
« on: November 07, 2013, 05:38:02 PM »
Can anyone help me with the location of the thermostat mk2 ford galaxy 1900 tdi  year 2000

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 06:19:46 PM »
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Last picture shows location best.  It's here on 115 and 130, not sure if it's in the same place on the 90.

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2013, 06:42:51 PM »
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Last picture shows location best.  It's here on 115 and 130, not sure if it's in the same place on the 90.

 if I remove the thermostat I believe the inside of the waterpump can be seen is this correct

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 06:56:18 PM »
That's correct.  Can't remember if you can see it (because there isn't a lot of room, but you should be able to feel the rotor.  I don't think you should be able to turn them.  If you can then I understand it means that it has failed, as I believe the rotor has a habit of detaching and no longer pumping the water round.

One of the more knowledgeable members will no doubt be on later tonight to confirm/deny this.

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 07:03:13 PM »
That's correct.  Can't remember if you can see it (because there isn't a lot of room, but you should be able to feel the rotor.  I don't think you should be able to turn them.  If you can then I understand it means that it has failed, as I believe the rotor has a habit of detaching and no longer pumping the water round.

One of the more knowledgeable members will no doubt be on later tonight to confirm/deny this.

Thanks anyway I will check tomorrow now

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 07:40:46 PM »
If the impeller turns on the shaft or even worse detached then water pump is u/s
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2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 07:56:25 PM »
impeller - that's the word not rotor. I knew it didn't seem right! ::)

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 03:53:11 PM »
What are your symptoms here have you had overheating issues, coolant loss, fluctuating coolant level, no heat from heater.
Whats the situation with your auxiliary coolant pump (run on pump) and booster heater are they working?
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2013, 04:29:37 PM »
What are your symptoms here have you had overheating issues, coolant loss, fluctuating coolant level, no heat from heater.
Whats the situation with your auxiliary coolant pump (run on pump) and booster heater are they working?

I aquired the car with a burst radiator the last owner said it was leaking but he used the car every day up and down the motorway he said when you top the water up the heaters get warm I've only everseen the temperature gauge move up once when I had the car but did not notice how high it was going because the rad was pouring out I've recently put a new rad on as in the other post and just filled up with water and started the car last night the temperature gauge moved only a fraction after an hour top hose was hot bottom hose was cold heaters were on full blast and only very little heat I've tested thermostat today and the waterpump feels ok

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2013, 08:13:19 PM »
It sounds like you have only had the car ticking over with the heater blowing full blast, that will in reality cool the engine down.
This is why the diesels have a booster heater to assist with warming up.
Taking the car for a ten mile run should see it up to the 90 mark, even then the bottom will only be warm if your lucky.
Hope no other damage was done running with leaky rad
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
All for a pint of Strongbow.

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2013, 06:02:49 PM »
It sounds like you have only had the car ticking over with the heater blowing full blast, that will in reality cool the engine down.
This is why the diesels have a booster heater to assist with warming up.
Taking the car for a ten mile run should see it up to the 90 mark, even then the bottom will only be warm if your lucky.
Hope no other damage was done running with leaky rad

Tried again today put new thermostat in run car for a while at high revs heaters worked ok nice and hot temperature gauge needle moved up then suddenly dropped back down to 50 mark and kept on doing this going up and dropping down but heaters were ok blowing hot would this be the temperature gauge sensor faulty if so can somebody tell me where the temperature gauge sensor is located

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2013, 10:14:42 PM »
Yes that does sound like a faulty sensor, you can double check this by checking for fault codes or just change it, its located around the back of the engine, see how to in the reference library.
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
All for a pint of Strongbow.

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2013, 10:56:44 PM »
Yes that does sound like a faulty sensor, you can double check this by checking for fault codes or just change it, its located around the back of the engine, see how to in the reference library.

Thanks I've checked there and found it.also as the front heaters worked ok I tried the back heaters with the switches in the roof which only blew cold will this be due to the run on pump not working  or should the front heaters also blow warm air in the back

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2013, 11:04:44 PM »
The run on pump will be required to pump the coolant through the rear heater and the booster heater, have you heard your booster running?
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
All for a pint of Strongbow.

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2013, 11:26:27 PM »
The run on pump will be required to pump the coolant through the rear heater and the booster heater, have you heard your booster running?

Are the switches in the roof used to turn the booster heater on if not then I have not heard it yet but I've heard the run on pump only a couple of times but it does not run all the time. When I press a button by the front heaters then turn the switch in the roof I can hear a fan motor running at the back somewhere

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2013, 11:42:39 PM »
you will know when your booster heater is working as it sounds like a turbine spooling up.
if your run on pump isnt working correctly you may find/hear the booster constantly spooling up and winding down within a few seconds.

and another pointer if it isnt working properly,you get other peeps banging on your window telling you your cars on fire.
ive never had that done to me before, :-[
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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2013, 11:55:41 PM »
you will know when your booster heater is working as it sounds like a turbine spooling up.
if your run on pump isnt working correctly you may find/hear the booster constantly spooling up and winding down within a few seconds.

and another pointer if it isnt working properly,you get other peeps banging on your window telling you your cars on fire.
ive never had that done to me before, :-[

No then I have not heard it spooling up at all any ideas why would a fuse of blown or something

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2013, 02:06:00 AM »
A good guess is glow plug open circuit or lockout caused by overheat or flame out.
You need to scan fault codes to get a clue from the cars diagnostics before pulling heater apart.
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

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With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2013, 09:14:42 AM »
A good guess is glow plug open circuit or lockout caused by overheat or flame out.
You need to scan fault codes to get a clue from the cars diagnostics before pulling heater apart.

Thanks for the advice anybody in the stoke area that will scan it for me I know the run on motor doesn't always work so that's the next job up til now

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2013, 09:58:07 AM »
If you have a laptop (with any Windows from 95 to 7) I suggest you get your own diagnostic lead from ebay this one is suitable-->http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-OBD2-II-KKL-ECU-DIAGNOSTIC-CABLE-LEAD-FD232B-chip-compatible-with-VCDS-LITE-/330752513588?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item4d0262d634

For less than £10 it will let you scan the vehicle when you like.  The listing  and site doesn't mention the Galaxy but this lead DOES work with it as it is made by VW and the majority of the systems are the same as the Sharan and Seat Alhambra .The software is free to download (see the link in the ebay lsting). If you have problems many members (including myself) use this lead and the VCDS-LITE software so you will get plenty of support with getting it working/interpreting the results.

Assuming you do get the lead
(i) Use the drivers that come with the cable.
(ii) Make sure you download the VCDS-LITE software not the full VCDS software, as you have to pay to register/use that and shouldn't need it for most things.  The registered version also lets you do things that can make the vehicle undriveable if you don't know what you are doing.

Final point I have no vested interest in the listing or the software I just see it as an essential (and cheap tool) if you have a Shalaxy.  It will more than pay for itself in time saved too.

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2013, 10:39:05 AM »
If you have a laptop (with any Windows from 95 to 7) I suggest you get your own diagnostic lead from ebay this one is suitable-->http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-OBD2-II-KKL-ECU-DIAGNOSTIC-CABLE-LEAD-FD232B-chip-compatible-with-VCDS-LITE-/330752513588?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item4d0262d634

For less than £10 it will let you scan the vehicle when you like.  The listing  and site doesn't mention the Galaxy but this lead DOES work with it as it is made by VW and the majority of the systems are the same as the Sharan and Seat Alhambra .The software is free to download (see the link in the ebay lsting). If you have problems many members (including myself) use this lead and the VCDS-LITE software so you will get plenty of support with getting it working/interpreting the results.

Assuming you do get the lead
(i) Use the drivers that come with the cable.
(ii) Make sure you download the VCDS-LITE software not the full VCDS software, as you have to pay to register/use that and shouldn't need it for most things.  The registered version also lets you do things that can make the vehicle undriveable if you don't know what you are doing.

Final point I have no vested interest in the listing or the software I just see it as an essential (and cheap tool) if you have a Shalaxy.  It will more than pay for itself in time saved too.

Thanks for the advice will look in to that

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2013, 01:50:28 PM »
Thanks for the advice anybody in the stoke area that will scan it for me I know the run on motor doesn't always work so that's the next job up til now
As said the lead is an essential tool when doing your own repairs on these vehicles, you will probably get away with fitting new brushes to the pump, not aware of an exact match when searching for brushes usually from ebay but generally just require simply filing down to fit.
Cost of brushes is pence as opposed to a new pump around £100
Ideally get this working first before attempting the booster heater as this needs to be working for correct operation of the heater.

There are "how too's" for both these items in the reference library.

There are a few variations of the Eberspächer heater depending on your year, yours should be the D5WZ.
Depending on what fault codes are present whether it needs more investigation or just codes clearing.
2009 Kia Sedona GS In Black 2.9CRDI 183PS. 5 Speed Manual WAV.
2003 MK2 Galaxy Ghia In Solid Black 1.9 TDI 115PS. 5 Speed Automatic.

Upgraded Eberspächer booster heater  to independent heating with 7 day timer.

With VCDS lite (full version) need a code clearing or want to scan for faults in the north kent area, PM me.
All for a pint of Strongbow.

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2013, 02:40:41 PM »
As said the lead is an essential tool when doing your own repairs on these vehicles, you will probably get away with fitting new brushes to the pump, not aware of an exact match when searching for brushes usually from ebay but generally just require simply filing down to fit.
Cost of brushes is pence as opposed to a new pump around £100
Ideally get this working first before attempting the booster heater as this needs to be working for correct operation of the heater.

There are "how too's" for both these items in the reference library.

There are a few variations of the Eberspächer heater depending on your year, yours should be the D5WZ.
Depending on what fault codes are present whether it needs more investigation or just codes clearing.

Thanks again I have looked through that and already taken the run on pump off today the brushes are very low so I'm looking around for new brushes now but a day or two and I reckon it will be working as normal then after that its on to aux heater

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Re: Thermostat
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2013, 06:34:24 PM »
Fixed the run on pump changed temperature gauge sensor then tried gauge came up fine and could hear the run on pump kick in soon as I turned ignition on and everything that side seemed fine but need advice about gearbox soon as I start the car I can't get 1st 2nd or reverse soon as the car has warmed up 5 minutes or so it's fine can anyone help with this

 

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