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Author Topic: Uprated anti roll bars?  (Read 331 times)

Offline Joolz

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Uprated anti roll bars?
« on: June 15, 2020, 01:29:37 PM »
Hi everybody, first post here, I have an early Galaxy VR6 and I was wondering if anyone has every heard of uprated anti roll bars being available for them. I had a vague memory I'd heard that Alhambras came with slightly sportier suspension from the factory, but not sure what that might involve, and may be completely wrong.

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Re: Uprated anti roll bars?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2020, 08:08:41 PM »
Hello Jules! Nice to meet u.

I think the anti roll bars are all the same tbh. In any event itís probably easiest just to drive slower around the corners, youíll save your tyres too. I will however ask around to see if I can find out any more
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

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Re: Uprated anti roll bars?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2020, 09:13:30 PM »
Microcat shows 3 rear anti roll bars, one marked as for the performance suspension. Bear in mind some of them also feature 4wd as well though and those use different part numbers.

It also shows a different option for the "insulation assy" bit (the rubber bit that gets clamped to it).

Theres also 3 different front Anti-roll bars shown, the earlier vr6 is shown to use a different (20mm longer) ARB link to the other options, later ones (1997 onwards) show using the standard 205mm ARB link, same as the non-vr6 versions use.

Bushes show as the same in all cases.

Have a look over the parts catalogue for yourself, as there may be other differences to be aware of

https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/rdw/sharan+syncro+4motion/sha/1999-162/5/501-501015/#19

If your finding handling to be particually bad, its worth being aware that the tyres can have a lot of bearing on this, you need ones able to take the load rating specificed (will depend what wheels you have fitted, but the standard size ones are shown on the inside of the fuel flap, typically they will be XL rated tyres for the size, mine needed a 95 load rating, and with the tyres that came on it the handling was poor, took it for tracking/alignment and it was highlighted by them there to be a problem due to the weight)




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Re: Uprated anti roll bars?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2020, 09:14:42 PM »
It also seems from Microcat that the sportier suspension was only fitted from 1998 onwards, which would suggest your point about it being fitted to later ones is correct.

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Re: Uprated anti roll bars?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2020, 10:19:03 PM »
Thank you David, that sounds like a very sensible advice, but I don't think I'd be able to stick to it!

I searched through the ebay listings for ARB bushes, not that they can always be relied on, and there was no mention of different sizes so thought maybe they were all the same.
I was however quite surprised at the amount of suspension kits available for these vehicles, including adjustable coil overs, so thought it was quite possible there was something after market that I just hadn't found yet.

Brian, thanks for the heads up re. the drop links, it's needing to replace one of these that has prompted me to think about the ARB at the same time. I'll know to look out for that one now, I wonder what else changed at the same time to make the drop link difference necessary?

I looked at the parts diagram for the front axle as well, and at both ends there is a bewildering range of parts used with no real explanation to a newbie what variants were fitted with what. I noticed the 2 options for drop links listed for both a '96 and '99, but no mentions of the lengths, did I miss it or is that information you've got from elsewhere? And assuming then that I have the longer ARB links, I'll measure them first to check, do you think I'll be able to find replacements? I'm yet to see an ebay listing even acknowledge their existence.

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Re: Uprated anti roll bars?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2020, 10:55:56 PM »
I was referring to Microcat, which I run from a Virtual machine, see the attached screenshot for the front ARB links with the lengths shown, note that the same part number covers all except some of the v6 models.

Bushes may be the same size, that doesn't mean they are quite the same though, could be different material used. I don't know to advise further there (or if it would really make much difference). I can tell you that the listing I've got for them shows the regular ones as 1009649 at Ä4.86 and the performance as 1097530 at Ä27.88 (prices will be several years out of date now, but show theres clearly something different there).

I've never had my hands on a v6 Galaxy, so can't advise further there. Eurocarparts seem to list the same ARB link in all cases anyway. It may also be the case that they can be swapped to the shorter ones provided both of them are swapped, hard to say without actually having one in front of you and the parts catalogue only tells you so much info.

The other thing you may find beneficial is to check how much play you have at the top of the suspension, there are rubber donuts that sit between the strut and body, over time they get squashed. A little play is normal, easiest way to see how much is there is to look how far the gap between the lip on the cup at the top of the strut is, and the body of the car. I'd guess around 5mm gap would be new, mine were much wider gap by the time they needed replacement.

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Re: Uprated anti roll bars?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2020, 12:23:03 AM »
I measured my ARB links and as you predicted they are 225mm. I do already have a replacement of the shorter size, so I will probably try fitting it to see if it will work, and if so buy a second new short one.

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Re: Uprated anti roll bars?
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2020, 12:02:28 PM »
Having trawled ebay and Euro car parts, I've not seen anyone who acknowledges the existence of the 225mm links, even using the part number from your screen shot Brian (7200959).

I have found that the post 2011 Ford Ranger appears to use a 225mm link with 12mm mountings in opposed directions, might be an option if the extra length proves to be necessary.

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Re: Uprated anti roll bars?
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2020, 03:25:56 PM »
I will see if I can find an alternative part number from microcat, in the meantime https://www.allcarpartsfast.co.uk/ford/ford-7200959-link/

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Re: Uprated anti roll bars?
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2020, 11:44:24 PM »
95VW 5489 AB is the other part number btw.

I'd guess you probabbly want the shorter ones. I'm not convinced they will actually make much of a difference.

Ebay does match those but on the same listings as the other number which is the shorter link. They will have been fitted to the v6 for a reason, though no idea why that reason is, or why they only did it on the very early ones (build date 31/7/1995 is shown as the cutoff).

Shorter ones may not fit, I guess your going to find out (the Anti-roll bar is the same for the non-performance suspension models by the looks of it anyway).

There might be some more info if you can find Alhambara resources to refer to though, Microcat only covers the Ford models although they are mostly the same some little bits are different.

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Re: Uprated anti roll bars?
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2020, 11:19:21 PM »
Thank you for your help Brian, I tried the shorter link that I already had and I can't see any reason why it won't work, so I've ordered a second short link for the other side.

 

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