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Author Topic: V6 auto drive shafts  (Read 8783 times)

Offline Dino D

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V6 auto drive shafts
« on: February 22, 2015, 11:05:57 PM »
Hi all,
I have 2002 V6 5sp tiptronic MK2 Galaxy.

I had a remanufactured drive shaft fitted just over a year ago in the passenger side.
This has been fine (I think, more on that later). The vibrations went away and my autobox smoothed out.

Symptoms appeared again and so suspected the drivers side needed changing (symptoms are 'wobbling' under load but also harder shifts in the autobox).

Mechanic has look and the inner CV boot is broken and there is slight play when he grips the shaft. So time for a new one.
Now Motomax in Poland do not do the V6 ones at all.

I've seen plenty on this topic in the forum and consensus is by quality as these cars do not tolerate loosely fitting shafts
The drivers side is the much longer one and being a V6 I have much less choice (would have gotten the Motomax ones without hesitation if the did them).
I've read good reports here about SKF and they supply news ones for around 200.00.
Any other opinions?

Going back to the passenger side one that I had replaced. Somehow it's throwing grease out of the boot (inner cv). No splits.
This is the remanufactured unit remember.
Just happens to be outside warranty now and apparently that supplier is no more...
When my mechanic grips the shaft and shook it it moves ever so slightly.
Not sure if that's acceptable or will cause vibrations in the steering?
Also any ideas on how / why grease is coming out of a undated boot that appears to be properly fixed on?

I am wondering if I'm going to pay the price here and have to replace the remanufactured shaft that may be on it's way out after around 6k miles...
I'll only know after the drivers side is done...


At the same time a spring broke on the drivers side and a worn drop link was detected. This has been changed already and weirdly the autobox has smoothed out again but not 100% yet.
It's quite interesting to see how linked all the drivetrain is in these cars and how worn bits feel like autobox problems when in fact it's other parts.
Hope it's of use for others who suspect auto box issues, might be other (cheaper!) things.
Car is now on about 113k by the way.

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2015, 01:02:02 PM »
Euro car parts are advertising GKN shafts applicable for the V6, just crunch in your reg- they show as being applicable to a 2002 V6 auto anyway, just be aware of the surcharge for return of your old unit. You won't go far wrong with GKN, being that they make most of the original equipment driveshafts anyway. The intermediate shaft on the drivers side is a separate item from the outer shaft (which contains the inner and outer CV joints) and unless the splines are worn where it fits to the gearbox stub shaft (which is admittedly a common problem) won't need replacing if it's just the inner CV at fault.

As for leaking grease from the CV boot, some boots actually have a drain hole in them- could this be a cause? If not, I can only imagine it may be due to the boot not being located in a groove quite correctly even if it appears secure, my old Ford Ka used to leak a little CV grease from an inner joint but the boot and clips were secure and it was the original factory fitted shaft from new so I didn't worry unduly about it.

P.S, I'm curious about why the outer shafts would be different on the V6 to the TDI, the joints themselves are the same design unless it's a shaft length issue due to the different engine.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2015, 01:07:53 PM by insanitybeard »
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2015, 04:39:59 PM »
Euro car parts are advertising GKN shafts applicable for the V6, just crunch in your reg- they show as being applicable to a 2002 V6 auto anyway, just be aware of the surcharge for return of your old unit. You won't go far wrong with GKN, being that they make most of the original equipment driveshafts anyway. The intermediate shaft on the drivers side is a separate item from the outer shaft (which contains the inner and outer CV joints) and unless the splines are worn where it fits to the gearbox stub shaft (which is admittedly a common problem) won't need replacing if it's just the inner CV at fault.

Thanks for that tip. The GKN works out around 70 less due to the return of old part. The SKF is brand new though.
I believe best practice is just to replace the shaft due to labour costs.

As for leaking grease from the CV boot, some boots actually have a drain hole in them- could this be a cause? If not, I can only imagine it may be due to the boot not being located in a groove quite correctly even if it appears secure, my old Ford Ka used to leak a little CV grease from an inner joint but the boot and clips were secure and it was the original factory fitted shaft from new so I didn't worry unduly about it.
Will have them look at that.

P.S, I'm curious about why the outer shafts would be different on the V6 to the TDI, the joints themselves are the same design unless it's a shaft length issue due to the different engine.
Have no idea...I notice some sellers on eBay specify different shafts per side but ECP say the intermediate is the same for both sides and I get differing lengths on 3 separate sites...

For example this seller says it's for the right side only and that it's 560mm
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=160747980450


The GKN from ECP is 537mm and for both sides:
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Ford_Galaxy_2.8_2002/p/car-parts/car-transmission/transmission-parts/driveshaft/?654591330&1&cf30fa0cd4d2c92d285b8099e986027d989380d 7&000113]=http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Ford_Galaxy_2.8_2002/p/car-][url=http://=http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Ford_Galaxy_2.8_2002/p/car-parts/car-transmission/transmission-parts/driveshaft/?654591330&1&cf30fa0cd4d2c92d285b8099e986027d989380d 7&000113]http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Ford_Galaxy_2.8_2002/p/car-parts/car-transmission/transmission-parts/driveshaft/?654591330&1&cf30fa0cd4d2c92d285b8099e986027d989380d 7&000113]=http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Ford_Galaxy_2.8_2002/p/car-


SKF say its 513mm and for both sides:
http://m.mister-auto.co.uk/en/drive-shaft/skf-vkjc-7003_g13_a050VKJC!7003.html
« Last Edit: February 23, 2015, 04:45:46 PM by Dino D »

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2015, 10:23:10 PM »
The first shaft you've linked ( [eBay])- if what you actually get is as per the drawing, something doesn't add up- it says it's offside fitment only but the offside outer shaft is the one that bolts to the intermediate shaft via a flange- in that drawing the inner CV joint is shown as having a male spline on the inside- how's that going to affix to the intermediate shaft flange?

The second link doesn't work unfortunately- at least not for me!
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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2015, 10:30:00 AM »
You could always take the shaft off and compare it at a ECP trade counter.

The one nearest to me (Stevenage) always seem helpful - I'd avoid ebay ones anyway, but obviously if there's any doubt about fitting you can't physically check the parts first when buying online.

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2015, 06:09:29 PM »
Spoke with mechanic again and he was concerned that if the cup wear the bearings sit is worn then changing the intermediate only solves half the issue.
He's looked again it thinks it's just bolts on so will get the part at ECP and then take it from there.

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2015, 06:56:30 PM »
I believe the bearing and mounting bracket come with the intermediate drive shaft so it shouldn't be an issue.  Have a quick look on ebay etc and you should see.

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2015, 12:14:22 AM »
So I got the GKN part from ECP and mechanic went to fit and it's definitely not the right part.
The entire shaft is needed.
Awaiting the part number and diagram from VW to confirm.
They show a part on their system for around 340+vat but none in UK so has to be ordered from Germany....
Once I get the part number and pic will hunt around...

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2015, 05:51:20 PM »
What was wrong with it? Length incorrect, completely different style etc?
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2015, 06:05:43 PM »
I believe it's only the intermediate shaft and what is needed is the entire shaft.
He can't see how it can work otherwise.
No proper diagrams from VW either...

At the ECP branch they showed me this additional length, have to show it the mechanic too and see from there.

This additional bit is not shown on the ECP site but they guy had it on his computer in store.
They even have one in stock which is odd I thought!
« Last Edit: March 09, 2015, 06:10:20 PM by Dino D »

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2015, 06:25:49 PM »
That's the intermediate shaft and stub shaft in the first (printed ECP) image you've posted, when you mentioned wobbling under load in your original post I figured you were referring to inner CV joint wear which is why I linked the outer driveshaft assembly from the ECP website, but that outer driveshaft does not come with the intermediate shaft or gearbox stub shaft, which I stated in my original reply. If you want a parts diagram, here are the Ford diagrams for the outer shafts, though that cluster of diagrams covers several different models/ styles of shaft, whereas the intermediate and stub shafts are in this diagram here, which I think is the correct diagram for the V6 auto. Never rely on the quoted part numbers though!

It's not the best angle to show both parts of the complete assembly (and the below picture is from a manual 'box offside driveshaft assembly, not an auto) but the below image shows the outer shaft and outer/ inner CV joints in the foreground (which is the assembly in your second picture and most recent post) bolting to the intermediate shaft which is in the background in my shot, the two bolt together at the flange where the arrow is- you can see some of the bolts that join the two parts.

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2015, 08:27:12 AM »
That's helpful info, will have him check and get to the bottom of it!
Thanks

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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2015, 09:42:56 PM »


So the mechanic had a look on Friday and is pretty certain it is the part circled in the pic (part number shown too).
Good news is that it's only 106+vat from Ford.
Hopefully it fits...will post back when done in a couple of weeks.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 09:45:11 PM by Dino D »

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2015, 10:06:32 AM »
Which of the circled items is it? I can see several circled, one of which is an inner CV joint (the one next to the bolt numbered 8), another of which is an outer CV joint (the one next to the long bolt numbered 18).
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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2015, 08:47:17 PM »
I believe it is the whole shaft (so items 16,17,18 and 2).
Here is a pic from a German site:
 http://www.sb-autoteile.de/radantrieb/antriebswelle/antriebswelle-rechts-ford-galaxy-vw-244a.html

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2015, 09:20:13 AM »
I'd be interested to see a picture of your driveshaft fitted on the vehicle, unless the intermediate shaft on your vehicle is of a completely different design to the setup used on the TDI's I can't see how it works as the splined male stub on the inboard side of the inner CV joint usually plugs directly into the transmission.
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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2015, 10:52:37 PM »
Part is in back order from Germany could be weeks still until I get it. Neither Ford, VW or Seat have one in UK stock.
There is an eBay seller showing one for around 50 but turns out they don't actually have it stock (I called just to check).

Lucky the wobble is not too bad and our mileage is low so should be fine to wait..
And I found out I get 20+vat back if I give them the old shaft!

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2015, 11:04:24 PM »
Just heard it will be in UK 10th April...

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Re: V6 auto drive shafts
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2015, 12:42:21 AM »
Just to update this:
Thr shaft is definitely the one as pictured so a different design for the v6.
I don't have pics on the car but the new one turned up as pictured and was fitted and the car drives great gain. Gearshifts on the auto box nice and smooth again too. Any play really shows up.

For other v6 auto owners it's worth noting that the part was on back order from Germany and took 5week to turn up..
There is nowhere else that supplies them that I could find.

All good except for now the passenger side shaft seems to have worn out again. I used a refurbished unit from my mechanics suppliers with a 12month warranty but some 18months later it's starting to show signs of play and tell take shakes. I'm going to just get a GKN Lobro part for this side, it's nearly double in price but clearly the cheaper shafts just don't last...

 

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