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Author Topic: What catch tank for CCV mod  (Read 8436 times)

Offline George106

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What catch tank for CCV mod
« on: February 26, 2012, 11:31:45 AM »
Hi guys,

I am about to clean EGR and inlet manifold and to keep it cleaner for a bit longer I would like to fit catch tank to trap unwanted oil vapours from crank case vent. Can I use any catch tank or should I go for already mentioned Mann Pro Vent 200 one? If so where should I get it?

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2012, 12:07:35 PM »
Hi George, you can use any tank you want providing it can handle the throughput from the CCV  - the aim is to cool and expand the oil vapour from the crankcase breather which in turn will separate the oil from the air so in this situation its a case of bigger is better!

The Mann + Hummel one I decided on has been excellent, I've done just over 8000 miles since installing it and  there is no oil in the Inter-cooler or EGR since. I haven't yet plumbed it back into the sump so I've been collecting the oil in a jam jar (I know, hi-tech eh!) but the plus side is I've been able to monitor how much oil has accumulated in those 8000 miles - which is just over 75ml - more then enough to stark caking the EGR back up again.

There are some minor downsides with the M&H unit though:

1) Its massive! Fitting it into a Galaxy engine bay was a challenge but do-able none the less
2) Its not cheap - its just over £120 for the full kit you need but then its highly effective and I'm not sure the small tins you can buy on ebay would be anything like as effective.

I've got some installation photos on my laptop so I'll post them for you tonight and I'll dig out the receipt so I can tell you where I got it from as I know I had a mission finding a UK supplier!
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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2012, 01:13:24 PM »
I was wondering about fitting the kit when you first mentioned it and I must admit had forgot about it till now, I had only removed the EGR valve about a year ago which was as bad as the photo's of yours, I didn't take off the manifold that time but would do if I decided to fit the kit.
At the moment the car is running really well, and the thought of having to pull it apart when it's not broke, a little voice is telling me no you don't need to be laying on yer back out there unnecessarily your not twenty or thirty any more lol
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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 02:11:24 PM »
I am currently experiencing a bit of rough idle when cold (could be dodgy injectors wiring harness) and also some judder when in low gears. My EGR is leaking some oil also there is some oil leak on intercooler driver bottom corner therefore I believe there is quite a lot of oil in the system. On the other hand I do not experience big oil loss, just about 0.5-1l between changes.

My Galaxy has done over 163k and I thing she would benefit from some cleaning. My average consumption is around 42mpg mixed driving.

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2012, 02:37:05 PM »
Hi George
For the rough idle when cold have you tested your glow plugs?
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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2012, 02:57:35 PM »
They have been changed last january (bosh ones) and when they changed them (after one was half broken stuck inside) this problem actually didn't change at all. Car starts fine, but after one minute it starts misfiring and cars starts to shake. I have looked at value at the vagcom and I got very strange reading on  two injectors (up to -3mg iirc). Then it disappears when engine coolant reaches around 30deg.

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2012, 03:27:43 PM »
I was gonna say dodgy wiring loom to injectors but vaguely remember doesn't that come up in vagcom as a wiring fault to the injector concerned
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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2012, 03:42:56 PM »
I have looked through the net and first place where could I get the Provent 200 kit is http://www.inlinefilters.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=924_1356_1373&products_id=21884 .

Cold anyone find anything cheaper? Also what hoses would you use for connection?

George

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2012, 03:48:01 PM »
Well here are the photo's, as you can see its much bigger then you might have been expecting (Read: Mark opened the box and went OMG its HUGE that ain't gonna fit!)




However it can be wedged down the front as you can see and actually fits quite nicely. Technically it has a service filter inside that you can change which is why I wanted it mounted somewhere that I can easily access the top but realistically you would only be changing this around 100K miles so you could wedge it out the way round the back of possibly under the battery tray.



This is the biggest problem to overcome, the CCV exit is reversed on the Galaxy PD engine compared to others in the VW range. As such you need to get two pipes attached in a very small space but it is possible again with silicone hose. If I ever need to pop the rocker cover off then I'll be swapping it over with a Golf/Bora one with the CCV exit pointing toward the battery instead of backwards. Finally, all in:



Yes that is pond hose but its all been replaced for silicone hoses now, the pond hose is ultra cheap and useful for getting sizes and angles right before buying the more expensive silicone hose. And finally there she is all back together again:



Attached is the receipt so you can see the order numbers and costs, you can either phone the order through or email them. The check valve is used on the vents oil return/exit. Depending where you plan to install it and what you plan to do with the exit you may or may not need that but my plan is to tap into the sump above the oil level and thats why I needed one.

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2012, 05:03:18 PM »
Thanks Mark, what size of silicon hoses and place to get them? Also how did you fit it next to oil filter (bracket modification?).

Thanks
George

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2012, 05:25:15 PM »
Just quick one, would I need to buy return valve if not planning to plug it to sump (would choose your low-tech option)?

George

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2012, 05:48:52 PM »
To start with I simply cable tied it to the filter housing, I've since fabricated a bracket but there was nothing wrong with the cable ties - it physically can't move in any direction from that position.

I'll have to check the offcuts of pipe I have left as to what size it was, I got it direct from a mate but you can buy it on ebay and there are normally sellers at car shows and events if you want to see if first.

If you are going to do a catch can under it then you will definitely need the check valve, the only time you don't need one is if the output will be permanently submerged (ie, into the sump BELOW the oil level). You dont want it sucking any air into the system as it'll be unmetered which will cause you running problems and potentially worse as it'll also be unfiltered. :o

FYI, the oil from the intercooler will be the seal having rotted out between the plastic and the aluminium which is a common fault on the 115. You should aim to get that fixed as you'll be loosing boost pressure through there which will lower your MPG and make the turbo work slightly harder.
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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2012, 06:07:21 PM »
FYI, here the PDF for the entire range they do:

https://www.mann-hummel.com/industrialfilters/upload/doc/HBVFLGOcGNM.pdf

Gives the sizes of the pipes you need :) I note they now do a 150 version which should be fine for all of the Galaxy diesels if you wanted to downsize a little.
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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2012, 07:22:09 PM »
Thanks Mark again, I think I'll have to spend some money on the car again  :( I would like to have EGR, inlet manifold cleaned, injector harness and intercooler changed and finally ProVent catch tank fitted. Unfortunately I am not good with spanners and would have to leave manifold removal to guys from garage.

Anyway I would need to get new intercooler, there is some on ebay for 165quid, would it be enough or should I go for Ford/VW one?

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2012, 07:30:56 PM »
Contrary to what some people say on other forums ;) You DONT need to replace the intercooler. Remove it from the car, pry open the aluminium flanges, remove the old gasket and clean the surrounds. Use an automotive silicon to make a new gasket and then clamp it all back down. I've done 6 like that and none have caused any further problems.

A replacement intercooler will eventually suffer the same problem which is why a silicone gasket is much better in the long run.
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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2012, 07:35:49 PM »
Got the ProVent 200 kit today, yes it's huge and doesn't fit in the engine bay very well. I tried the place Mark used and in this position I can't either fit engine cover properly or filter is touching fan casing thus engine movement would be compromised. Also tried put the filter from the other side of the oil filter/cooler and in this place filter outlets are quite restricted by the oil filter itself.

It's shame engine bay is so cluttered it can't be put elsewhere. And I don't want to hide it underneath battery box etc as the filter element should be inspected from time to time.

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2012, 07:59:23 PM »
Ahh that was unseen, presumably the 130 cover is a little higher then the 115 then? You might be able to adjust the holders as I think they are just bolted onto a mount so maybe a washer under there or possibly shave a small piece out of the cover itself?

It terms of front clearance again the 115/130 radiator packs are different so it could be something along those lines but mines a tight fit, there is only a couple of mm clearance between the two.
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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2012, 11:06:04 AM »
Hi Mark, could you please advise what hoses have you used? I ordered some silicone ones but they are not suitable for oil.

Thanks George

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2012, 12:12:40 PM »
Well as said I got mine from a mate so can't you a link to a product as such but any from that list should do you:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=silicone+hose+oil&_sacat=See-All-Categories
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14 VW Tiguan 2.0 TDI 177 R-Line in Deep Black Pearl
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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2012, 07:44:58 AM »
Thanks Mark, I'll order marine fuel hoses instead.

George

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2012, 01:15:11 PM »
Got the marine fuel oil hose today and have to say it's piece of tough hose. How could I ever use this one for connection? Is there anything else what could I use? I have seen on canadian forum they used transparent hoses....http://www.emotors.ca/articles/128.aspx

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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2012, 01:50:16 PM »
And another one http://www.delica.ca/forum/another-mann-provent-200-catch-can-install-on-l400-10802.html . Mark, could you take picture of your installation if you can and also would like to ask what connectors have you used for changing direction.

Thanks
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Re: What catch tank for CCV mod
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2012, 02:04:18 PM »
I can indeed, probably not til late Sunday though as I'm away in London this weekend.
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14 VW Tiguan 2.0 TDI 177 R-Line in Deep Black Pearl
With black leather interior, panoramic sunroof and bi-xenon headlights.
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