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Author Topic: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem  (Read 421 times)

Offline Rod Robinson

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2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« on: October 25, 2019, 09:34:22 PM »
Engine stops briefly, 2 icons briefly displayed on panel, battery icon and oil pressure icon. This happens whilst engine running normally jerking the car. When checked afterwards there are no fault codes listed.
  Any ideas anyone ?
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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2019, 08:05:14 AM »
I wonder if there could be a loose connection to the Engine Control Unit?

There are many experts on this Forum and I am sure you Iíll get some useful pointers here. Welcome and do not be dismayed by the temporary issues with your Ford Galaxy, they are one of the best cars ever made and the diese engines get very good fuel economy when you consider the size of the car. The petrol one isnít so good on that front though (but probably better for short journeys).

Welcome!!
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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2019, 08:41:06 AM »
Relay 109 would be my first port of call,that can cause issues like This without logging faults as it is primary power supply for the ECU etc

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2019, 08:56:23 AM »
What a good practical tip! Hopefully it is something simple like just changing the relay!!

They are very good cars
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

Offline Rod Robinson

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2019, 04:56:52 PM »
Thank you both for your suggestions. Where about would I find relay 109 please ?

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2019, 05:47:45 PM »
Good morning Rod, in 2012 my friend Chris answered just this question at https://www.fordmpv.com/smf2/ford-galaxy-common-faults-and-problems/galaxy-mk1-mk2-tdi-version-relay-109/

I hope u enjoying reading this informative article and that it helps u with your problem.
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

Offline Rod Robinson

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2019, 07:45:25 PM »
Hello,  and thank you for your help. Looks like relay 109 is not very accessible, didn't know there are 3 layers to the engine compartment fuse/relay box. Thanks again.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2019, 11:05:03 PM »
Itís not engine compartment fuse box itís the one by drivers right knee. Bit of a faff to get to but a bit of time and patience and you will be fine. You could have a replacement ready to go in or resolder the joints in old one. Personally for the effort of gaining access I would just replace it

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2019, 07:20:23 AM »
Yes, I canít imagine the new relay costing much more than say a tenner and I expect it would be a good place to start. I changed a relay on my Ford Focus and suddenly the heated front window started working again which is very useful in this day and age.

I wonder whether electric cars will have all these problems in the future. Theory is they should be more reliable but I expect they wonít be!
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

Offline Rod Robinson

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2019, 11:44:20 AM »
Hello johnnyroper,  My Galaxy is a later model with the fuse box on the left under the dash. Engine compartment fuse/relay box also on the left (kerbside) of the car. Does this model still have a Relay 109 do you know please?

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2019, 12:05:42 PM »
Just noticed my car details are were incorrect. Have bought a newer Galaxy but details not updated. Have updated my details now. Sorry about that.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2019, 12:40:30 PM »
In that case then it will be different as itís Ford not VW.

Have you scanned with a generic reader or forscan type equipment?

A fault like that which does not trigger a code is typically crank sensor breaking down they donít always log faults. The lights you get I would think are a by product of the shutdown rather than a cause.


Offline Rod Robinson

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2019, 07:22:58 PM »
Thanks for your reply. Have used a OBDII fault code reader and no faults detected. Also the crankshaft and the crankcase sensors were renewed a few weeks ago.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2019, 10:01:45 PM »
Strange fault then. Smax and galaxy are not renowned for particularly good wiring nor is the 1.8 engine. Probably a good idea to check engine harness for signs or damage or corrosion. Thereís not that much to go on as no fault codes to point in right direction and fault is intermittent.

Smart charge and cam sensor wiring have been known to cause problems on 1.8 not especially the galaxy but I dare say will be similar across model range

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2019, 08:42:03 AM »
Sorry to have to tell but they all do that.  Common causes:  flaky EGR (various reasons), erratic signal from accelerator pedal (it's drive by wire),  sticking turbo vanes, defective injector.

You need to use a non-generic piece of software kit - there are at least two very cheap ones on the market and both will run on pretty much any old laptop.  This should give you better clues as to where to look.

After a while, you get quite skilled at turning the ignition off and on again without stopping.....

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2019, 12:15:20 PM »
When I had my turbo problem (limp mode) I became an expert at rebooting my ECU with the clutch down. But people should never do this, apparently there was a guy who did it on TV and his steering lock clicked on and he drove into a hedge. Always follow the Highway Code and put safety first always. Cars are always repairable (except if itís a 2003 Ford Focus with a brake calliper problem hehehe) but people usually are not. 

It would be good if there was a computer reboot button on the dashboard hehe
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2019, 02:28:42 PM »
Thanks for the ideas. Am going for the throttle pedal renewal.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2019, 09:31:56 AM »
That's certainly the cheapest one if you are replacing parts.  Even cheaper is blanking the EGR valve.  At the back of the engine on the left looking at the front of the car is a corrugated silver tube ending in a flange.  Stick a piece of bean tin in there and see if it makes a difference.  You should loose any stutter on moving off and also severely reduce the number of limp mode occurences.  If it works, you can either leave the bean tin (mine is currently eight years old) or buy a fancy stainless blanking plate from ebay.  _NO_ issue with warning lights on the 1.8.  It has no DPF or associated software that causes an EML light on the 2 litre and 2.2 litre engines.

BTW.  Are you aware of the two-part nature of the cambelt on these engines?  There is a normal, easily visible and replaceable one from the HP fuel pump to the cam but there is also an internal one from the crank to the fuel pump.  It is possible (even likely) that yours is actually a chain but Ford now recommends changing those at max 125,000miles or 10 years as well.  If you do not have definitive proof that yours has been done, I would strongly recommend that you cease use until it has been checked.  Service paperwork stating "cambelt" is not sufficient.  It's a complex and expensive process, so the bill should be in the order of £600 minimum.  Even so, there has been at least one case of someone with suitable bill numbers finding out the hard way that the internal belt had not been changed.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2019, 12:35:04 PM »
Thanks for your information Mike. Did not know about the cambelt etc. My visible one was renewed about 83,000 miles. Have already had the EGR valve blanked off and vehicle re-mapped. Car has done 106,000 approx.  Its being repaired (hopefully) at the garage now.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2019, 03:36:41 PM »
_Strongly_ recommend not using it until the other belt is done.  They are well-known for snapping well below the maximum mileage - I had mine (2008 model) done at 100k in 2014 and will be getting it done again late next year at 200k.  You will, of course, get absolutely no warning.

I think you can check whether you have belt or chain fitted by taking out the tensioner - the ends are different but I don't know how.  If you have a chain, maybe there is less urgency.  They were not a serviceable part on MkIII Mondeos - which your engine is equivalent to.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2019, 10:28:55 AM »
Got my car back from garage yesterday. Throttle pedal wasn't changed as a crankshaft fault code was indicated. This was rewired and car driven to my address by garage. (To test it).  Seemed O.K. when I went out in it but after about 20 mins the same problem came back. i.e. engine cuts out and battery and oil warning lights flash on and off. This soon became so bad it wasn't safe to continue. Car still started and revved O.K., went O.K. in reverse but not going forwards. As I was about 12 miles from home I called out the AA who towed me back.  Am at a loss as to know what to do, my garage only goes by fault codes.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2019, 11:25:08 AM »
Does it completely cut out or does it lose power.

I think you need to find another garage,sounds like crank sensor related to me and needs someone who can test the wiring and sensor properly

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2019, 07:15:40 PM »
Thanks for replying, engine completely cuts out as if ignition was switched off and then back on again. 

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2019, 10:14:41 PM »
To do that kind of thing I would forget about egr,accelerator pedal,turbo vanes

I would be concentrating on crank sensor as it had a fault code for it,get wiring checked properly,you say they did some repairs to it do you know what they did? Personally even if just for elimination I would change crank sensor if wiring checks out.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2019, 05:32:57 PM »
Does sound more like the crank sensor is failing to me, possibly with temperature affecting it so it initially appears to be ok. I'd ask them to swap the crank sensor personally as it only sounds like they repaired wiring (at least then you should know the sensor is ok, so if it continues it may be a wiring fault they haven't yet found).

The only crank sensor I've had fail, caused the car to run badly at first, then one day just stopped working at all halfway across a road pulling out of a petrol station, It would crank and turn over fine, but fail to fire up, which sounds like what you are finding happens occasionally.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2019, 08:12:04 PM »
What does a crank sensor do please

Iím still learning about cars.. thank you
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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2019, 10:23:04 PM »
What does a crank sensor do please

Iím still learning about cars.. thank you

Detects the position of the flywheel and is used to run the engine based on that (tells the ecu where the crankshaft is, and from that the ecu works out when to inject fuel, and in the case of a petrol engine when to fire the spark plugs)

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2019, 10:43:57 PM »
Just to add on modern diesels it works in conjunction with the cam shaft sensor to determine which cylinder is on compression stroke,the cam sensor determines when the injector should be opened.

Even on petrol it works in conjunction with with cam sensor to determine optimum fuel injection and spark points.

It can also determine if timing is out (belt jumped etc) by comparing feedback with cam sensor.

The crank sensor is a vital part of modern engines however it can and does give issues particularly when hot and not always gives a fault code.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2019, 07:44:19 AM »
Thank you both very much for such clear explanations! Iíd never really thought much about the fuel injection process, I had assumed really that it all happens mechanically but of course injectors and spark plugs operate electrically so much have some sort of timing device working them too. I love learning all these things, it really helps for when my car goes wrong and gives me an idea where to start! Thank you again
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

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Re: 2006 Galaxy LX Electrics problem
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2019, 11:01:47 PM »
To everyone that replied regarding problem with my Mk3 Galaxy.

Thank you so much for all the help and information that you gave. As I can't  fix these sort of problems it has to go into a garage. Cost has been quite a lot, am not prepared to continue paying out. Therefore have part exchanged it for next to nothing. Have told them of the problems so they know what they are getting.

             Thanks again.
                    Regards,   Rod Robinson.

 

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