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Author Topic: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia  (Read 3226 times)

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Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« on: September 10, 2017, 04:01:25 PM »


Hi All

I have a Galaxy 2010 Ghia 2.2 Diesel with Dual Air Con (Front and back).

I have had it re-gassed at an ATS Euromaster centre, who said they have put in 600g of gas, and then said that the aircon does not work.

As its a dual Air con system this does not seem a lot of gas after reviewing air con topics on this site.

Any idea how much gas should be been put in for a dual system?.

PS as the aircon was not working and they did not know why, they sucked all the gas out... so went in with gas but now has now.... 






Offline johnnyroper

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2017, 07:39:44 PM »
850g for dual system.

So it had gas in system prior to having regas and it still didn't work?
Does the button light up when air con on?

I wouldn't be happy about them taking gas back out aswell as not putting enough in,with gas in system it aids the fault finding so I would be back getting it charged up with correct amount.

Offline Dr Muse

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2017, 08:24:38 PM »
What was the justification for removing the gas???

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2017, 09:19:07 PM »
standard practice is to remove gas if there is a leak  in system.....

if they do it properly they don't put refrigerant in if its leaking...they try it with nitrogen first as its a harmless gas if it does leak.

when its confirmed its not leaking-they take nitrogen out, then put in refrigerant/oil/dye.

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2017, 09:46:54 PM »
But it had gas in prior to the regas,they found didn't work so removed the gas is my understanding

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2017, 01:41:40 PM »
Hi

Car air con seemed to be working but not as well after parking it up for 8 weeks.  So I thought a re-gas would be the answer.  Also I guess I fell for the "should be re-gassed every 2 years" website advice.

Purchased a groupon voucher for a regass, about £28.

Having read all the blurb on website and groupon T@Cs, it was my clear understanding that

1. They checked the temp coming out of the aircon before they did anything, as if it was not working at all  they would advise no point in a regas.
2. They do a pressure test to ensure all is ok, before regas goes ahead.

But what transpired was the chaps said, ok we have regassed it, but the aircons not working.  They then asked what model of car it was exactly.  Advised the type of model, engine size etc bla bla. 

They then advised it does not look like the condenser is working, and we have checked all fuses and cant see any issues with them.

So in order to not use the coupon they would have to take the gas out. So this is how the conversation transpired.

Me. But you must of checked the aircon was working before you started.
Them. No why would we when its just a regass.

Me. How much gas did you put in over and above what was already in.
Them. We don't measure what we take out, we just know how much went in after the recharge, and that was 600g.

Me. So if you don't take the voucher, and take all the gas out, that means I am worse off than when I came in, and it was working but not freezing cold before I came in. After all you might of put none or say only 20g more than was already in.  But if you take it all out then how does them seem right as I am worse off than when I came in
Them.  I have to take it all out, as we never know how much was in the first place. And that's how it is.

So here I am thinking, I need to take to another garage now, who I guess will want to do a pressure test bla bla before doing further tests on system. so maybe the gas will  all have to come out.  So should I pay with the voucher and go with a none working aircon fully gassed if the right amount of gas has been put in, or go with gas levels that were in before the recharge and let the aircon specialist charge me for the regas.  What I had not anticipated was going with no gas at all, and would it matter anyway...

I guess my questions are the following:

1. What is the correct amount of gas required for a dual air con system on the galaxy that I have. as the claimed 600g used seems low....
2. And in principle, if their policy is to remove the gas if they detect an issue after a regas (as it may not of needed a regas anyway) should you be left with zero gas at all or at least with what you went in with.  My analogy is if my tyres did not need changing or there was an issue with their work, they would not expect me to drive away without the tyres I went in with?
3. After speaking to the chaps who did the work, and the area manager, what really is the standard procedure for a regas?.  Do they know exactly the amount removed?, Does the gas taken out end up going back in as part of the regas, as this seems so more environmentally beneficial.


I know some will think the same as me, and there will be those who think I am wrong about my thoughts.

So if the critical comments can come after the true amount of gas that a dual system should have in it is advised that would be a great start.  :) :)

The critical aspects of what I thought was strange / wrong can come later please. lol




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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2017, 02:48:29 PM »
850g for dual air con.

I wouldn't expect to come away with no gas in unless there was a leak and they have to recover all for environmental reasons etc,but as it had gas when it went in it's hardly likely to have a significant leak..

The gas that is removed is recycled by the machine and put back in to the resavoir connected to the machine.

If I was you I would cut my losses and go to a proper specialist and explain what has happened, a specialist will check it properly and not just fill it up like a ATS type place. As for condenser not working and checking fuses I take it they mean the fan? If it's only had 600g put in vice the correct 850g then it will not function properly,get the specialist to charge to correct amount and see what happens then.

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2017, 04:10:57 PM »
Thanks for the reply.

Car booked in on weds at "Advanced Radiators" at Newcastle.  Will update if anyone interested.




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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2017, 05:30:35 PM »
Yes please do update as it may help another member out if they have similar issues.

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2017, 08:40:11 AM »
In the NE, I can also recommend these guys.

http://www.washington-autoelectrics.co.uk/

In June, due to non-use, a/c was not working.  They vacuumed, checked with nitrogen and regassed.  Not freezing cold now but only needs to be run full tilt for ten minutes or so before cabin is too cool in external temps of about 30 degrees.  I've never yet found a satisfactory setting for leaving it on, so just do short bursts of chilling.  That will last for the next hour or so.

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2017, 09:02:08 PM »
As pointed out
Gas in system needs to be totally removed and weighed to see what deficit there is. If low pressure test the system with oxygen free nitrogen and leak detection fluid around joints or even a sonic leak detector. Repair leak and recharge to correct amount. If high just put back in the correct amount.
Re the correct amount have you looked under the bonnet for the gas type and weight sticker ?

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2017, 04:23:47 PM »
Hi All

Thanks for all the information, and in particular to Johnnyroper.

Well I have been to the appointment I had today at "Advanced Radiators" at Newcastle to see what problem I had.

1. They did the nitrogen/ leak test - All OK
2. Pressure Test - All OK
3. He advised exactly the same as Johnnyroper that dual system needed 850g,  so as suspected that was maybe the issue with ATS Euromaster stating many times 600g they had put back in on the recharge, even though I had said at least 6 times, ITs A Dual A/c System, front and back.
4. Also Advance Radiator guy confirmed to me, that the gas taken out of my car would of been reused by ATS when they put in the 600g, and also advised they would of 100% known how much gas they would of removed before the did the recharge.
5. Recharge done with 850g, and again passed all pressure / back pressure tests.
Started aircon in car, and bang, I am now frozen and chattering away like a snow man.

So in summary - and yes there will be loads who will say "obviously / we know this already etc" - be very careful when using the likes of ATS.

Advanced Radiators" also pointed out that ATS have bent the aircon connection pipe to get their kit on to it, as they more than likely did not have the extension connector required to go through the top of the frame. grr

So where am I now.

1. Got great aircon!  Dam cold I feel like I am in the Antarctic, 5 degrees coming out the vents.
2. ATS took all my gas out, and left me with none in my system what so ever even though they had clearly made a mistake, and led me to believe I had a major condenser issue - a bit of worry how much that was going to cost me.
3. ATS got more gas, after the bad job than they had before - a positive for them.
4. Many hours researching the issue, and half a day spent going to a different Air Con company.
5. Left Spending hours trying to get my money back on the ATS Aircon Groupon voucher.

Thanks for all the advice - anyone got a blanket as so cold now.  lol

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2017, 05:53:17 PM »
👍 glad it's all sorted just a shame their are incompetent  crooks like ATS out there who try and take advantage of people.

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2017, 05:54:17 PM »
I also think a strongly worded letter to head office is in order.

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2017, 09:08:28 AM »
If you're in a trade union, such as UNISON, they will provide you with free legal advice to obtain recompense.  Letters to head office will do no good - it's only when they are walloped in the pocket that companies sit up and take notice.

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Re: Amount of Gas required in Dual Air Con Galaxy 2.2 TDI 2010 Ghia
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2017, 11:10:38 AM »
Financial ombudsman service may take up the case.
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