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Author Topic: Butchered sump plug!  (Read 221 times)

Offline benali

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Butchered sump plug!
« on: July 19, 2020, 06:31:27 PM »
Went to do oil service on my 2008 galaxy 2.0 tdci duratorq. Only to be unable to remove sump plug which seemed to be pretty butchered.
Anyone know what size hex or torx this started life as?
Any tips on getting it out now?
Oh, and what size do I order for a new one?
Many thanks

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2020, 06:36:30 PM »
Hello!

Well, it certainly looks like the ďmechanicsĒ bodged that one. I would be furious if they returned my car in that state.

Could u use a junior hacksaw you cut a little slot across it then use a flat screwdriver or piece of metal to unscrew it.

Or just leave it there and suck the oil out of the engine using an oil sucker machine, they donít cost much and are very handy. You can get them from Amazons.

I bet u were really mad when u saw that bodge job, I for one would have been livid.
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

Offline benali

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2020, 07:04:33 PM »
Well, I got no idea now on the history of the plug.
Yeah, I know garages are using suckers, but are they viable for home diy'ers, just had a quick look but not sure what I'm buying.
Think I'd rather just sort this plug out.

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2020, 07:19:41 PM »
Anyone know what size I need to buy, so I can at least a new one ready, got a feeling its m14?

Offline johnnyroper

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2020, 09:44:02 PM »
Hard to tell by that picture what size the tool needed is as picture quite blurred for me. I have had seized plugs previously due to the heat a modern diesel gets to during regens etc. Plus being overtightened previously.

Best bet get engine hot and give it a few shocks with a chisel to free it, m12 or 14 at a guess but I would get a genuine from ford before chiselling it out.

Donít use one of them suckers as they donít get all the oil out itís a much better idea removing plug and changing it properly

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2020, 06:56:55 AM »
Bit of a nightmare trying to identify which size thread I need, some websites showing m10, m12 or m14.
Think I need my engine code for 2009 duratorq 2.0, but where to find that?

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2020, 09:21:13 AM »
The 2.0 normally has either the M12 or M14 depending on year. Given the flange I would suggest that's the M14 triple square that someone didn't have the tool for so used screwdrivers to batter it on/off.

Personally, I would order a new one direct from Ford as they will know the exact one needed from your VIN. I would also agree to avoid the suckers, they are a bodgers way to save a few minutes of work.
03 Ford Galaxy 1.9 TDI 115 Ghia in Spruce Green Metallic
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VCDS HEX/CAN - Scans/Coding done in Wiltshire in exchange for winegums! :)

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2020, 10:00:41 AM »
My local ford parts are closed at the min due to the virus.
Think you can only get from head office, probably stupid price as well!

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2020, 11:42:40 AM »
The next time I take my Alhamb to the garage I think I will demand that they extract the oil by removing the little nut instead of sucking it out! I want ALL the muck and dirty old oil out of my engine!

Itís a shame they donít make a little lockable tap and mount it somewhere easily accessible so that the average DIY person can service their car properly without having to get underneath it which is a bit of a hassle tbh.
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2020, 11:43:33 AM »
Still? Give Rates a call on 01375 391234, ask to speak to Kevin in the parts department. They post smaller parts so should sort you out fairly quickly :)
03 Ford Galaxy 1.9 TDI 115 Ghia in Spruce Green Metallic
With cream leather interior, Full Bodykit, Remapped at 145bhp, Lowered on 18's
14 VW Tiguan 2.0 TDI 177 AWD R-Line in Deep Black Pearl
With panoramic sunroof, bi-xenon headlights remapped at 205bhp.
08 Ford Transit 2.2 TDI 115 in Frozen White
With retrofitted everything except another slidey door! :)

VCDS HEX/CAN - Scans/Coding done in Wiltshire in exchange for winegums! :)

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2020, 05:49:16 PM »
The next time I take my Alhamb to the garage I think I will demand that they extract the oil by removing the little nut instead of sucking it out! I want ALL the muck and dirty old oil out of my engine!

Itís a shame they donít make a little lockable tap and mount it somewhere easily accessible so that the average DIY person can service their car properly without having to get underneath it which is a bit of a hassle tbh.

If they did something like that it introduces risk as it would need some pipework plus to not have to get under it would end up being higher than sump plug so you would be in same boat as using a suction tool.
It could be a lot worse on my beemer I have to drive on to blocks of wood to get it high enough to get the jack under centre jack point. At least with the galaxy itís easier to get underneath to drain oil.

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2020, 08:16:06 PM »
@johnnyroper, you can always bring it here and use my ramp mate ;)
03 Ford Galaxy 1.9 TDI 115 Ghia in Spruce Green Metallic
With cream leather interior, Full Bodykit, Remapped at 145bhp, Lowered on 18's
14 VW Tiguan 2.0 TDI 177 AWD R-Line in Deep Black Pearl
With panoramic sunroof, bi-xenon headlights remapped at 205bhp.
08 Ford Transit 2.2 TDI 115 in Frozen White
With retrofitted everything except another slidey door! :)

VCDS HEX/CAN - Scans/Coding done in Wiltshire in exchange for winegums! :)

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2020, 10:58:46 PM »
A ramp what a nice luxury to have I could well take you up on that offer one day,I fear a clutch and timing chain will be required on my latest one at some point.

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2020, 09:43:03 AM »
You can actually buy a tap to replace your sump plug.
You then have to worry about maintaining the tap under the car, who can access it, it getting knocked as it sticks out more, etc.

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2020, 09:53:28 AM »
It would be nice if they could mount a little drainage tap somewhere convenient at the front of the engine and put a little lock on it to prevent vandals from draining all ur oil out, maybe a little flap over it like they do with the fuel filler hole perhaps
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

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Re: Butchered sump plug!
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2020, 01:19:37 PM »
You can actually buy a tap to replace your sump plug.
You then have to worry about maintaining the tap under the car, who can access it, it getting knocked as it sticks out more, etc.

Some of the older trains I worked on with Cummins Diesel engines have drain taps, they can and do get smacked off. Not so much of an issue as engine will shut down if oil pressure goes below 18 psi. On a car thereís a very real risk of totalling engine with something like that. By time engine light on its usually too late. Sump plug all day long for me

 

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