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Author Topic: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?  (Read 209 times)

Offline Putns

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Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« on: August 10, 2020, 11:28:29 PM »
Hi,

Does anyone has experience installing LPG on Ecoboost 2.0L engine?

I am looking to buy used Galaxy 2011 with Ecoboost and would like to install LPG, as previously was very happy with VW Sharan 1.8T going on LPG.

Is there any way to install it under the cabin or in under-leg storage departments between 1st and 2nd seat row?
Don't want compromise 7th seat...

Thanks in advance for tips!



 

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2020, 12:11:27 AM »
There are very few lpg users on here, most of the members run Diesels.

Typically you put the lpg tank into the spare wheel well - I've not got a mk3 like your looking at to know where/if the spare wheel space is suitable. Ifs its underslung like the mk2 then thats probabbly your best option, though I suspect there may not even be a space for it.

You can technically put a tank anywhere there is space, provided you vent it properly and can secure it safely, outside the cabin is generally easier though where you can.

You would be well advised to check if a valve saver system is required as well, the usual answer is yes on most Ford engines.

You might get more luck posting to https://www.lpgforum.co.uk/

Offline SirDavidAlhambra

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2020, 09:14:46 AM »
I wouldn’t bother to be honest, by the time u have paid for the conversion u could have paid for thousands of miles worth of diesel anyways and then u have all the hassle of maintaining a bit of a weird setup and so on.

Best way to save money is just drive slower and buy an older car, they all get u from A to B at the end of the day and who needs all the fancy new features like in-built Satnav anyway, google maps is better and all u need is a clip for ur phone on the dashboard for example.
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

Offline brianh

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2020, 09:28:58 AM »
The poster does say non-UK in his profile, there are a lot more lpg users in Europe than the UK.  There are a fair number of places you can't drive older diesels into, while petrol isn't as restricted, lpg slightly less restricted. A properly installed lpg system should give relatively few issues, easily offset by not having to deal with various issues diesels can throw up.

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2020, 09:29:16 AM »
That all depends on how many miles the OP does and how long he keeps the car. A low mileage driver who frequently changes cars then no you won’t get the benefit. Also not everyone wants a Diesel engine.

As far as I know LPG systems are fairly maintenance free these days,

You have kind of gone off topic the OP was after advise on fitting locations for the tank etc and not people’s opinions on why he shouldn’t bother.
Buying an older car does not always save money as older cars need more maintenance and if you have to pay someone to do said maintenance then the bills rack up.

OP, have you looked on any ford forums as there could well be people on there who have LPG on eco boost cars better able to assist you.

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2020, 09:48:07 AM »
One further thing for the OP to look into, the EcoBoost engines are direct injection, which can limit what options you have for lpg, you would need a specific kit for the type of engine rather than the more universal kits you can fit to the traditional port injected engines like your 1.8t would have.
I've no idea if one is available for your choice of engine, but a supplier/installer in your area should be able to tell you

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2020, 09:53:00 AM »
They almost have to port inject for these type of engines dont they? Seen keys where inlet is drilled and injectors added for LPG.


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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2020, 10:05:54 AM »
Would it be better to buy a car that has already been modified to run off LPG? Could be a fair bit cheaper plus no hassle of having to do it yourself.

In terms of the original question about where to fit the tank, why not leave that to the garage? I would imagine they would stick it where the spare wheel goes, maybe they have some other ideas too like at the back of the car maybe (providing it is safe)
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2020, 10:17:32 AM »
They almost have to port inject for these type of engines dont they? Seen keys where inlet is drilled and injectors added for LPG.



Some DI setups use the petrol injectors to inject the lpg, trouble is if you don't use the petrol injectors at all, they end up playing up when you do want to use them. Port injection is one option, you can also use petrol addition (part fueling with petrol through the normal injectors with the rest coming through the port injection system). Each option has some drawbacks, something the op really needs to discuss with his supplier/installer to see what is possible. It comes down to engine code for options with DI engines usually, some are more possible than others.

Would it be better to buy a car that has already been modified to run off LPG? Could be a fair bit cheaper plus no hassle of having to do it yourself.

In terms of the original question about where to fit the tank, why not leave that to the garage? I would imagine they would stick it where the spare wheel goes, maybe they have some other ideas too like at the back of the car maybe (providing it is safe)

Maybe hes looking to fit the kit himself? I'm not even sure there is a spare wheel on the car, hence may not even be a space for one - someone on here will know the answer to that.

There may not be any available on LPG where hes looking, as in most cases if people have gone the lpg route, they are more likely to keep hold of the car a lot longer, or take the kit off and reuse it on another vehicle. It doesn't tend to significently add to the value of the vehicle when it does come to reselling it later.

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2020, 11:05:42 AM »
I would love to save money on fuel so I could do longer journeys more often such as to the Lake District, does LPG equipment cost much please and how tricky is it to fit, thank you
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2020, 11:10:18 AM »
A fully fitted install would be around £1200 typically with the certification for the UK - this greatly depends on your insurer as to what they want, but typically most accept registration on www.drivelpg.co.uk to be adequate. Some insurers will not insure lpg vehicles. Theres typically a couple of days work involved in doing it plus the cost of the kit. Some vehicles will cost more as the kit suitable for them costs more (particually higher power or more than 4 cylinder engines as extra injectors are needed for them, as well as the electronics to control them).

But thats for petrol vehicles - whilst its possible to run diesels with a small proportion of lpg addition (to clean emissions and improve efficiency) its rarely done, and typically when it is done, its on larger vehicles rather than cars.

In the UK it is dying out, with one of the 2 main suppliers in the process of decomissioning their refuelling network now (Shell/Autogas - as evidenced here https://autogaslimited.co.uk/the-current-situation ) The UK provision was never particually good, and with the government of the time pushing diesel to lower CO2 emissions never really got a proper foothold. That coupled with limited filling stations severely limited any chance of widespread use.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2020, 11:14:48 AM by brianh »

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2020, 11:38:05 AM »
Hi!
Thanks everybody for instant advises!  :)

In most cases you are right, the economical effect of LPG over Diesel is very tiny.  ::)

I have other reasons to look for Petrol, couple of them in my case - they have less mileage, better condition, richer feature sets, than available Diesels in used car market. Particularly now I had put eye on one which has good condition and necessary feature set.


.... I'm not even sure there is a spare wheel on the car, hence may not even be a space for one - someone on here will know the answer to that.


Yes, Brianh , this is my concern... I know there is no spare wheel under car like most vans (Galaxy MkII / Sharan/ Alahambra).

So my question -  is there any way to install LPG without loosing space in cabin of Galaxy MkIII?





 

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2020, 11:56:14 AM »
If there is no spare wheel space then I would say you only have option of tank being installed within the cabin.

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2020, 11:58:21 AM »
I would love to save money on fuel so I could do longer journeys more often such as to the Lake District, does LPG equipment cost much please and how tricky is it to fit, thank you

As you said yourself the cost of LPG install could pay for thousands of miles worth of diesel. Also you have an older car already so drive slower like you said and save money on fuel that way

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2020, 12:28:43 PM »
Hi!
Thanks everybody for instant advises!  :)

In most cases you are right, the economical effect of LPG over Diesel is very tiny.  ::)

I have other reasons to look for Petrol, couple of them in my case - they have less mileage, better condition, richer feature sets, than available Diesels in used car market. Particularly now I had put eye on one which has good condition and necessary feature set.

Yes, Brianh , this is my concern... I know there is no spare wheel under car like most vans (Galaxy MkII / Sharan/ Alahambra).

So my question -  is there any way to install LPG without loosing space in cabin of Galaxy MkIII?

You might be down to the point of taking a tape measure and seeing what space is available that you can afford to lose - there are various sizes available, loads of them listed on https://tinleytech.co.uk/product-category/lpg-tanks/ so you have an idea what you might be able to fit. I've had 5 cars on lpg in total, and 4 of them have been wheel well tanks. The other is a large cylinder in the boot, and makes the boot unusable for a lot of purposes. Can't use the spare wheel location on that car as its on the back door (Land Rover Discovery 2)

You might want to try posting to a LPG specific forum like the one I listed above, as there are a couple of installers on there that may know the answer/possible solutions if there is any.

Bear in mind you may hit the problem of needing a compatible kit as its a Direct injection engine as mentioned above, and I don't know if such a kit even exists for your engine as well.

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2020, 02:08:38 PM »
I know this might sound unconventional but can u just install it safely on the roof (is that allowed)
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2020, 04:04:37 PM »
I don't think its expressly forbidden, but probably not a good idea due to having very little to secure it to. And the obvious problems with having stuff on the roof of an already tall vehicle as well.

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Re: Ecoboost Turbo 2.0L on LPG installation?
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2020, 02:19:19 PM »
Thanks for replies!

Thanks brianh , yes Ecoboost engine has direct injection like Diesel engines....hmm in this case LPG looks less attractive.

Also got several opinions from forums and technicians that Ford Ecoboost engines are not reliable and could have problems after 250' km run. I called to couple of LPG installers.They hadn't made any installation on them and don't recommend. Better is to leave it on petrol, as when it runs on LPG, along it the petrol will be used for about 20% anyway.

Conclusion :
Best set up for LPG conversion will be atmospheric Duratec 2.3L with standard automatic gearbox as Powershift is lottery and has lot of problems already coming out of factory. 

Regarding installation of LPG tank, it is tricky... :) in order to make it without loosing space in cabin, you have to say goodbye to conditioner for 2nd/3rd row. Then you can cut out the small bowl where it was, under the floor, just after 3rd row seats, weld straight metal sheet to cover the hole and then under it there is space for standard LPG tank 50L, which won't be even noticeable if you look from distance.

Thanks for conversation! See ya!
 

 

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