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Author Topic: smoking and missing engine from cold  (Read 562 times)

Offline stred

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smoking and missing engine from cold
« on: March 17, 2019, 11:48:26 AM »
hi all,

Looking for some advice on my mk3 galaxy 2.0 tdci 59 plate, purchased the car on finance in August last year, we quickly became aware of plumes of smoke on the first start of the day along with rough running, this quickly clears up and car performs normally with the exception of a little hesitation at part throttle. I immediately made the garage aware of this but as we they are an hour away we decided to get it serviced and made the servicing garage aware of the problems, they concluded probably the injectors may be leaking overnight which seemed correct.
With all our commitments we didn't have a chance to return the car to the original seller until the end of last month, in that time we were also frequently noticing an engine malfunction light on the dashboard when accelerating hard when joining the motorway and similar, this was also relayed to the garage.

anyway the garage had the car for 3 and half weeks and have confirmed that they have replaced 4 injectors with a bill to them for over £1300, unfortunately we have it back yesterday and this morning upon the first start of the day it smokes just as much as before and misses just as much.

I haven't contacted the garage today as they are closed, but I did call the finance company and they have raised a complaint, what id really like to know or get advice on is what the fault may be and what my options may be with regard to the legal side of things, basically I'm concerned about owning a car that's always going to cause me sleepless nights, we came from a 2003 Alhambra V6 which aside from an alternator and battery was faultless in 5 years of ownership.

any ideas or advice welcome and apologies for the lengthy post.

regards

Offline SirDavidAlhambra

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Re: smoking and missing engine from cold
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2019, 03:21:41 PM »
Hmm. Does it really matter I wonder if you're going to hand that lemon back to the dealer in due course (not sure if you plan to do that). I used to have a Peugeot 405 that smoked like a chinese coal power station in the mornings. I just got used to it! But if you're keeping the car I'd be straight down there with my angry face on. It's hassle like that which is why I never spend more than £2,000 on a car.
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

Offline Mirez

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Re: smoking and missing engine from cold
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2019, 10:17:47 AM »
Sadly, it's not uncommon. The fuel system on the modern Fords is awful, lots or reports of failed injectors which then take the pump with them. Other issues with SCV and PCV causing failures, lumpiness and smoke.

Most tend to start occurring after 60k, what mileage is yours on?
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Offline SirDavidAlhambra

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Re: smoking and missing engine from cold
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2019, 10:09:13 AM »
I wonder why they canít just make them to be reliable, after all mankind has had over 100 years to perfect the internal combustion engine now and a big company like Fords has got so much money Iím sure they could do it
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

Offline stred

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Re: smoking and missing engine from cold
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2019, 10:35:44 AM »
If the garage wasn't so far away it would be going back, the finance company have insisted I allow the garage to have the car back to rectify the problem, unfortunately this is a little difficult as we are a busy family and the garage don't have a seven seater as a loan car.

Anyways more problems have surfaced now, my partner was stranded with my daughter and her friend last week with the symptoms of a flat battery, the RAC came out and couldn't jump start it without plugging something in to the ECU first, I'm not too clear exactly what he done but he suggested a new battery, that was last Tuesday and has been fine since then until this morning when I was getting some petrol for my mower, after paying and starting the car which was fine, immobiliser active came up on the display, I drove home and restarted it fine and the message was gone!

I've never purchased a car on finance before always opting to save up and spend under £3k and now I know why!

I think I'll buy a cable to scan, anyone have any recommendations?

Offline SirDavidAlhambra

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Re: smoking and missing engine from cold
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2019, 10:55:25 AM »
Yes, I think best option is possibly to take it back and see if you can reject it. It sounds like a lemon, always breaking down like that. Iím a firm believer that people generally sell cars when they have problems that the garage canít fix, hence many second hand cars have a nasty problem lurking somewhere. Just one big headache.
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

Offline stred

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Re: smoking and missing engine from cold
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2019, 11:37:13 AM »
The problem is the amount of time we have been in possession, although the injector problem was clearly an issue at the time of purchase confirmed by there willingness to attempt a fix in the first instance, I contacted the dealer back in April immediately after the injectors were replaced and informed them I intended on returning it again for further investigation after speaking with the finance company, but with family commitments we needed the car and seeing as they had the car for 3 and half weeks repairing it last time I had to pick my timing carefully as to when I could afford to not have it for a possible 3 and half weeks or longer again.

Really not sure where to go from here, the inconvenience of not having the car really makes it difficult not to just stump up the cash from my own pocket and get it fixed locally.

Offline SirDavidAlhambra

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Re: smoking and missing engine from cold
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2019, 11:58:34 AM »
I feel your pain, I really do. Sometimes you just need a large vehicle and nobody else understands the hassle of having it off road while a garage takes its time looking into it and getting nowhere. And just because you canít drop it off at a momentís notice, they assume that means itís all working ok. I had that problem when trying to send back a reconditioned turbo, they said why did I take so long and I had to explain it sat there doing nothing for 4 weeks while I tried to find a convenient time to get it booked in.

Is the car worth much money? Could you offload it somehow?
I drive a Seat Alhambra 1.9Tdi which has 115bhp and an automatic gearbox.

I am happy to help you with all your questions. I am not a qualified mechanic but seem to be better at fixing my car than even the most experienced garages.

I have lots of friends here and very much enjoy talking with you all.

Always remember, a motor car is a serious tool and should be treated with respect. Put your safety first, always.

 

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