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Author Topic: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear  (Read 2411 times)

Offline Haley Wood

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Hi, my 2013 Tiguan has started making an intermittent crunching noise when it changes up or down into 5th. Its done it about 6 times in 1000 miles so isnt very often but its a God awful noise when it happens akin to pushing a manual into gear without the clutch! It lasts about a second with no jolts or power issue.
There are no other noises and it drives bob on otherwise. Have taken it into VW who say there are no faults on the computer and naturally it never occurs during the test drive 🤔😡

Does anyone have an ideas? I commute 150 miles a day and am getting scared its going to blow up soon and leave me stranded!

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2018, 05:05:45 PM »
I have a fix for you but first, has the DSG been serviced recently?
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Offline Haley Wood

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2018, 05:21:35 PM »
Hi. Yes it was serviced in January by Robinsons VW. The car has aone 46k miles.

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2018, 06:00:09 PM »
Interesting. So I am 99% sure you have the same issue that I had. Slightly technical but;

Before the 177 PS engine became available the biggest engine was the 140 PS and came with the DQ250 box. When they decided to put the bigger engine in they realised the torque couldn't be handled by that box so they mated the 177 CFGC engine with the transporters DQ500 gearbox.

They ran that combo for around 9 months before the DQ380 came out so the CFGC and DQ500 combo is relatively rare. Both engine and gearbox are used extensively in other marques and models but because its not often seen in the Tiguan quite often its not included in VW technical publications.

So the good news is that noise is caused by a software glitch which appears to always rear its head just after a service, I'm still not sure why that is but there seems to be a revision to the oil used since the factory so its likely to be to do with viscosity.

Your car will almost certainly have software 2235 on it and you'll need to get it flashed at VW to the newer 2207... yes the number is lower but that IS the upgrade... go figure!


Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels:. 0BH-927-711.clb
   Part No SW: 0BH 300 012 A    HW: 0BH 927 711 C
   Component: DSG DQ500-7A  H08 2235 
   Coding: 0014


becomes;


Address 02: Auto Trans       Labels: 0BH-927-711.clb
  Part No SW: 0BH 300 012 A    HW: 0BH 927 711 C
  Component: DSG DQ500-7A  H08 2207
  Coding: 0014


VW don't normally like doing updates unless something is obviously wrong so ask them to look at the Transporter's technical publications [TPI 2041964/3] which details what they term a 'scratching' noise in 5th gear with this engine, box and software setup. That should give you the clout to firstly get them to do the job and secondly give you a refund of they charged you for diagnostics the first time!!

Good luck!
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Offline Haley Wood

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2018, 02:01:08 PM »
Just to follow up I have had the update done with thanks to the info you posted. As you said it took some pursuation to get them to do the update without diagnosing it first but managed to get them to in the end. Will report back how it goes. Thanks you so far. [WAVE]

Offline Peter Holloway

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2018, 10:58:41 AM »
Hello from Cape Town!

I'm very interested to hear if the software update solved your 5th gear issue @Haley Wood.

My 2013 Tiguan TDI 140hp has the DQ500 transmission (sw 2234) and I can repeatably recreate the grinding noise by driving in manual in 5th gear. Previously the grinding noise was difficult to characterize, but now that I know it happens in 5th, I have confirmed that it also happens in 5th when in auto mode.


Offline Haley Wood

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2018, 04:10:48 PM »
HI there! Its only been a few days but touch wood no noises yet. Thanks @Mirez  cheers

Offline Peter Holloway

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2018, 08:39:26 PM »
Great news! Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2018, 09:00:36 PM »
Hey Peter, welcome to our forum!

The TPI that relates to the DQ500 box does list a number of effected software software versions and I'm sure 2234 was also one of them.

Glad it's not made the noise Haley, hopefully yours will stay as quiet as mine has been!
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Offline Peter Holloway

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2018, 06:56:36 AM »
Thank you @Mirez! Is there possibly  somewhere that the TPI can be viewed online?

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2018, 10:20:26 PM »
Quite hard to get hold of them unfortunately, I'll see what can be done though ;)
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Offline Peter Holloway

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2018, 09:13:50 PM »
Thanks @Mirez , having the TPI will be a great help to convince the dealership to do the update

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2018, 03:17:06 PM »
TPI obtained but only issued under guarantee I wouldn't post it! However, the only thing of real relavance to us is the chart, the rest is all stuff that relates to how to do the update and VW's accounting etc so there is no need to share that anyway :P

If you can't find your current info from VCDS etc then you'll need to hunt the ID sticker thats on the top of the box (toward the front). Looking at the software revisions within I can't understand how they do version control at all! 0BH 300 012 A is surely older then 0BH 300 012 B yet seems to have earlier software available to it!  [bash]

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Offline Peter Holloway

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2018, 06:24:52 PM »
Fantastic, thanks Mark! hopefully mine will get done next week :-)

Offline Peter Holloway

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2018, 12:59:36 PM »
Just an update... my Tiguan is with the dealer for the DSG update now, they're keeping it overnight to test it in the morning when it's cold , so I should know tomorrow if the update has resolved the grating gear issue.

Offline Haley Wood

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2018, 03:54:42 PM »
Looking forward to your update, still no noises from mine! grouphugg

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2018, 11:30:38 AM »
Just has a call from VW and they have confirmed that the software update solved the issue... happy days :)

Thanks to @Haley Wood for starting this thread and @Mirez for all the valuable info!

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2018, 05:04:17 PM »
Awesome news Peter ;)

When you get it back could you send me the scan again or confirm what version its now on? I have mine and Haleys already so will start a reference library topic for this one. Thanks ;)
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Offline Peter Holloway

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2018, 08:09:39 PM »
Just did a VAG scan to check which version was loaded, details are:

Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels:. 0BH-927-711.clb
   Part No SW: 0BH 300 012 A    HW: 0BH 927 711 C
   Component: DSG DQ500-7A  H08 2234
   Coding: 0014

became

Address 02: Auto Trans       Labels: 0BH-927-711.clb
  Part No SW: 0BH 300 012 A    HW: 0BH 927 711 C
  Component: DSG DQ500-7A  H08 2208
  Coding: 0014

From the TPI table above, my DSG identifier must be E... wonder where this comes from?

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2018, 12:50:49 PM »
I can only assume its either on the data sticker or its encoded within the software as its not mentioned throughout the TPI!
Again I'm still completely baffled by their version control! So your 2013 has not got 2208 and my 2014 car has got 2207 lol

Are you noise free now? :)
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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2018, 06:43:46 AM »
Completely baffling, as you say... but yes, I'm noise free now  ;D

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2018, 09:45:20 AM »
Hello all, thought I would give an update here on this issue. My wife is the primary driver of our Tiguan, and has commented a few times that the 5th gear crunch still happens, but a way more subdued version thereof. Yesterday we were returning from a camping trip in the mountains, towing a trailer, and sure as nuts it made the crunching noise again in 5th gear. The noise is less harsh though, but always in 5th gear, so must be related to the previous issue.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Should I be concerned?

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2019, 05:00:33 PM »
How long did you leave it before getting the update done? Mine has been silent since but I got strait on with it as that noise was horrible and clearly something badly wrong!

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2019, 11:12:33 AM »
We had just purchased the car, it was 5 years old, so not sure how long it had been making the noise before we bought it... could very well be the reason the previous owner traded it in.

It's been almost a year now and I'm happy to report that there have been no further gearbox issues as a result of the crunch. We recently did a 4000km road trip which included going up and down Sani Pass, a 4x4 trail to the highest pub in Africa. The Tiguan never once missed a beat and the occurrence of the subdued 5th gear crunch has become less and less... can't actually remember when last we heard it, so the problem has been solved, for all intents and purposes.

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2019, 05:18:06 AM »
Hi all - registered to say thank you for this conversation. Was experiencing the exact issue on my 2013 Tiguan and had been into the VW dealership (Australia) who had never heard about it and could not replicate it. After asking them to check this TPI they said it didn't apply, then after checking with their chief mechanic they said it did.

Although they were reluctant to apply the update without being able to replicate the issue, they did so and I haven't heard the sound since.

Thank you, saved me from considering replacing the car!

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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2019, 10:30:46 AM »
Hi Mark, thanks for joining :)

Fantastic news that this is fixing cars around the world :) Here's hoping for years more noise free travels!
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Re: Tiguan DSG making a loud crunch / crunching noise when in 5th gear
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2019, 12:40:51 PM »
Iím so pleased the software update fixed your car!!

I always like to keep my computer up to date, and I think I would like to check for any software updates for my car too, just to make sure it runs as well as possible. Please does anyone know how I can update the firmware, do you just download it from their website and load via a usb stick or similar please? Thank you.
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